# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/541 "2015-09-03T19:01:51Z")
I just saw a report that so far, three of the deputy clerks are caving in. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/542 "2015-09-03T19:08:10Z")
Here is an updating link: [http://www.wowktv.com/story/29951816/clerk-in-gay-marriage-case-to-appear-in-federal-court](http://www.wowktv.com/story/29951816/clerk-in-gay-marriage-case-to-appear-in-federal-court) Three have agreed to perform marriages so far. Hearings ongoing for the other three. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/543 "2015-09-03T19:11:00Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I just saw a report that so far, three of the deputy clerks are caving in. I bet the reason is they knew she was in it for the right-wing lecture circuit and ghost-written book…and that they would be seeing _none_ of that. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/544 "2015-09-03T19:13:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I bet the reason is they knew she was in it for the right-wing lecture circuit and ghost-written book…and that they would be seeing _none_ of that. We know that one of them was willing to issue the licenses all along and one declined to state their views. It’s probably safe to say they were two of them. The other probably didn’t want to go to the big house. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/545 "2015-09-03T19:18:36Z")
So what happens once the plaintiffs in the existing suit are all granted marriage licenses? What happens to Davis if she agrees to grant marriage licenses again on the assumption that there won’t be any more gay couples applying for licenses? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/546 "2015-09-03T19:18:49Z")
[Here’s an interesting story](http://www.newser.com/story/212305/kim-davis-unwittingly-issued-transgender-marriage-license.html) about how Davis has already unknowingly issued a marriage license to a trangender couple. She issued the licence in February to a couple, one of whom had had gender reassignment surgery. Even though poth of them had birth certificates identifying them as female, Davis apparently didn’t notice. This was back at a time whe could have declined legally to issue the license. So she’s also incompetent. Why does this not surprise me? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/547 "2015-09-03T19:20:29Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > So what happens once the plaintiffs in the existing suit are all granted marriage licenses? What happens to Davis if she agrees to grant marriage licenses again on the assumption that there won’t be any more gay couples applying for licenses? It’s a very good bet she’d be released, and slapped back in jail again should she renege on her promise. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/548 "2015-09-03T19:21:20Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > What happens to Davis if she agrees to grant marriage licenses again on the assumption that there won’t be any more gay couples applying for licenses? Given her hard-won notoriety, that is a very bad assumption. I think you’d see _more_ SS couples going there to get licenses, to prove a point or even if only to rub it in. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/549 "2015-09-03T19:22:08Z")
Five out of six of the deputy clerks have agreed to issue licenses. The one hold out is Kim’s son. He will go to jail. Licenses will begin to be issued at 8am tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/550 "2015-09-03T19:38:01Z")
I’m fine if she holds firm and just rots in jail. Now that marriages can proceed without her, there’s no reason for me to ever see her face again. And the good thing is, its all her own doing ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/551 "2015-09-03T19:42:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I get your point, but the comparison you offer is woefully lopsided. SSM is not part and parcel to her job duties the way killing is part and parcel to the military. Hell, she’d been involved with the office for 26 years and there was zero necessity for the clerk to issue any SS marriage licenses. Sure, there was a possibility that it would be coming when she was sworn in, but if SCOTUS had ruled otherwise this summer she wouldn’t have had a problem. Issuing licenses to those who are legally allowed to marry is part of the job. She doesn’t get to second guess who falls into that category. We know a guy who has been in the Air Force for ages working as a supply clerk. he has about as much chance of killing someone as I do. However, if something happened where he had to, he doesn’t get to object. Not that he would. He’s a good Christian. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/552 "2015-09-03T19:45:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > One never knows. In Kentucky, family trees don’t fork. But family members do. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/553 "2015-09-03T19:46:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Given her hard-won notoriety, that is a very bad assumption. I think you’d see _more_ SS couples going there to get licenses, to prove a point or even if only to rub it in. Having her name on your marriage license might make it a collector’s item one day. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/554 "2015-09-03T19:50:15Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Given her hard-won notoriety, that is a very bad assumption. I think you’d see _more_ SS couples going there to get licenses, to prove a point or even if only to rub it in. I hope it becomes the most popular same sex marriage destination in the country. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/555 "2015-09-03T19:54:33Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I hope it becomes the most popular same sex marriage destination in the country. Might be a good time to open an upscale bed and breakfast within walking distance to the Rowan County courthouse. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/556 "2015-09-03T19:55:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Not at all true. Being in jail does not necessarily vacate an elected office. Feel free to cite Kentucky law that backs up your assertion, tho. What law need to be cited to verify that if she’s in a jail cell, she has been literally and physically been removed from her office? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/557 "2015-09-03T19:59:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > … The law changed and the conflict arose. But that doesn’t mean she has to act against her religious convictions. Yes, she should do the honorable and sensible thing and resign. But barring that, it is a pickle. Her job did not change one iota. Her job was to determine whether a couple met the legal standard for marriage, and issue a license if they do. Her job never involved determining whether that or any other standard was was legitimate. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/558 "2015-09-03T20:03:17Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I’m fine if she holds firm and just rots in jail. Now that marriages can proceed without her, there’s no reason for me to ever see her face again. And the good thing is, its all her own doing But she won’t. She said she wants to “have a voice for God’s word.” As soon as she’s offered a speaking position in some Evangelical organization, she’ll proclaim it a vindication from God, who wouldn’t let her be silenced. She’ll quit her office and be released. It’s exactly what she wanted the whole time. So … everybody wins? Yay? The alternative was an ever-increasing fine that takes into account likely donations and future remuneration through speaker’s fees and book deals. The only downside is that bankrupting her for life doesn’t have the immediate, visceral appeal of making her spend the night in jail. Oh well. BTW, why is this case the cause célèbre right now, when other clerks in Kentucky, Alabama, and possibly Texas are also refusing to issue licenses. Why do we care more about Kim Davis than the rest of them? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/559 "2015-09-03T20:03:58Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Her job did not change one iota. Her job was to determine whether a couple met the legal standard for marriage, and issue a license if they do. Her job never involved determining whether that or any other standard was was legitimate. It’s certainly fair to parse things that way. It’s also fair to say that her job _did_ change, because it did. That is a fact. One day she was not to required to issue licenses to SS couples, the next day she was. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/560 "2015-09-03T20:04:42Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > What law need to be cited to verify that if she’s in a jail cell, she has been literally and physically been removed from her office? The one that conflates physical removal from office with loss of that office. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=29)