# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8baadc/32.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/761 "2015-09-06T02:16:23Z")
Because it isn’t in accordance with her religious faith, a Muslim flight attendant was suspended for not serving alcohol to a passenger. I’m rather curious to see if the supporters of Kim Davis will object. After all, it _is_ about religious freedom. Right? > **[Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended for refusing to serve alcohol...](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html)** > > A Muslim flight attendant says ExpressJet suspended her for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/762 "2015-09-06T02:23:12Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > But of course. The crazy is strong in them! They just got jealous - she’s getting more attention. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/763 "2015-09-06T02:31:13Z")
Christians: Do you ever wonder why it is that when you feel your religious freedom is being infringed, it is when you are trying to do something shitty? Have you ever noticed that your religious freedom is never compromised when you are treating other humans with love and respect? If your religion requires you to be an asshole, even Jesus would tell you, you’re doing it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/764 "2015-09-06T02:36:12Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Christians: Do you ever wonder why it is that when you feel your religious freedom is being infringed, it is when you are trying to do something shitty? > Have you ever noticed that your religious freedom is never compromised when you are treating other humans with love and respect? > If your religion requires you to be an asshole, even Jesus would tell you, you’re doing it wrong. QFT ---
**Author:** ![chancetx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@chancetx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chancetx)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/765 "2015-09-06T22:18:03Z")
Having never been married can someone clarify for me what you do with the marriage license once you get it? Do you have to return it to the clerk’s office after the ceremony? I assume there’s some other marriage certificate you receive after you’ve been officially married. I’m guessing you have to present the license to whoever marries you (judge, clergyman, whatever) and then they…??? Sign it? Return it to the county clerk’s office to show the marriage took place? Submit it to some other government body to file away somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/766 "2015-09-06T22:34:55Z")
> [@chancetx](#): > > Having never been married can someone clarify for me what you do with the marriage license once you get it? Do you have to return it to the clerk’s office after the ceremony? I assume there’s some other marriage certificate you receive after you’ve been officially married. I’m guessing you have to present the license to whoever marries you (judge, clergyman, whatever) and then they…??? Sign it? Return it to the county clerk’s office to show the marriage took place? Submit it to some other government body to file away somewhere? Be sure to have it in your immediate possession whenever engaged in marital activities? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/767 "2015-09-06T22:37:59Z")
> [@chancetx](#): > > Having never been married can someone clarify for me what you do with the marriage license once you get it? Do you have to return it to the clerk’s office after the ceremony? I assume there’s some other marriage certificate you receive after you’ve been officially married. I’m guessing you have to present the license to whoever marries you (judge, clergyman, whatever) and then they…??? Sign it? Return it to the county clerk’s office to show the marriage took place? Submit it to some other government body to file away somewhere? The people who got married and the officiant and one or two witnesses sign it and it’s returned to the office. They record it and then send you an official copy. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/768 "2015-09-06T22:49:19Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > The people who got married and the officiant and one or two witnesses sign it and it’s returned to the office. They record it and then send you an official copy. I’m on the edge of creating a GQ thread, but what the Hell: Why would you need an official copy of your marriage license? In what circumstances would it be required? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/769 "2015-09-06T22:55:14Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m on the edge of creating a GQ thread, but what the Hell: Why would you need an official copy of your marriage license? In what circumstances would it be required? Off the top of my head: settling an estate without a will, claiming survivor benefits from Social Security. ---
**Author:** ![Morelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Morelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morelin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/770 "2015-09-06T23:11:45Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m on the edge of creating a GQ thread, but what the Hell: Why would you need an official copy of your marriage license? In what circumstances would it be required? Changing your surname to match your partner’s or getting an international marital visa. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/771 "2015-09-06T23:23:45Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m on the edge of creating a GQ thread, but what the Hell: Why would you need an official copy of your marriage license? In what circumstances would it be required? You don’t. What you may need (for various reasons such as changing your name or establishing eligibility for benefits or an inheritance ) is proof that your marriage took place/ was recorded- but it’s entirely possible that that will be on the same piece of paper as a copy of your marriage license. See this - [NY State Marriage License, NYS Marriage License, NY Marriage License, Anatomy of a NY Marriage License](http://www.nymarriages.com/Certificate_State.html) It’s possible that after that after receiving a form like this back from the officiant, the clerk sends a copy with the appropriate stamps and certifications back to the parties- much like this birth certificate , which is a copy of the handwritten form the doctor sent to the Dept of Health with a certification that it’s a true copy of the form in their record. [http://www.urbanmyths.com/images/stories/birthcertificate.jpeg](http://www.urbanmyths.com/images/stories/birthcertificate.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/772 "2015-09-06T23:44:42Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m on the edge of creating a GQ thread, but what the Hell: Why would you need an official copy of your marriage license? In what circumstances would it be required? To show to HR at you work to get your spouse on your insurance. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/773 "2015-09-07T00:21:05Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m on the edge of creating a GQ thread, but what the Hell: Why would you need an official copy of your marriage license? In what circumstances would it be required? Basically any situation where you & your spouse need to prove to a 3rd party that you’re married. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/774 "2015-09-07T00:33:58Z")
You need one to get divorced. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/775 "2015-09-07T00:43:17Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > To show to HR at you work to get your spouse on your insurance. Yep. That’s the last time we had to use it. The district switched insurance companies and we all had to prove that everyone on our insurance was legit. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/776 "2015-09-07T01:10:03Z")
[Mrs. Davis’ lawyers filed an appeal of her contempt jailing today](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/abb1878566e541bfbfa41279c0a1eb83/kentucky-clerk-appeals-order-putting-her-jail). Apparently there are no arguments for why she should be released, but they did amend her earlier appeal. :rolleyes: As if a few more shitty arguments would somehow save the day: “Whoa! The court finds itself overwhelmed with bullshit and therefore relents! Enough already, Mrs. Davis!” 😛 Yeah, that’ll work. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/777 "2015-09-07T02:35:43Z")
A marriage license and a marriage certificate are 2 different things. You need a marriage license to get married, after the ceremony the officiant files a marriage certificate with the county within a few days. A certified copy of the marriage certificate is sent to the couple a few weeks after the ceremony. Having just the license doesn’t prove you ever got married, only the certificate does that. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/778 "2015-09-07T02:49:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Mrs. Davis’ lawyers filed an appeal of her contempt jailing today](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/abb1878566e541bfbfa41279c0a1eb83/kentucky-clerk-appeals-order-putting-her-jail). Apparently there are no arguments for why she should be released, but they did amend her earlier appeal. :rolleyes: > > As if a few more shitty arguments would somehow save the day: “Whoa! The court finds itself overwhelmed with bullshit and therefore relents! Enough already, Mrs. Davis!” 😛 > > Yeah, that’ll work. 😉 Submitted on Sunday. And Monday is a holiday. “Gonna be a busy week. We’ll get back to you.” … Let her stay in jail until her term expires. Or she apologizes for her BS and does her job or resigns. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/779 "2015-09-07T03:04:34Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Oh well, looks like you’re on to our plan Mat. That’s what all us homos have been after all this time. We’ve just been itching to lock all the Christians up in camps and kill them. I must have missed that in the recruitment brochure. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/780 "2015-09-07T03:56:18Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > You need one to get divorced. :eek: Not necessarily. Other proof that the marriage was contracted can suffice, especially if there is no way to get a certified copy of the marriage certificate. For example, a records hall in Seoul, South Korea burned back in the early 1980s. Those whose report of marriage was filed there cannot get a certified copy as the records no longer exist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=40)