# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/61 "2015-08-15T17:20:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > How many SDMB posters live in Rowan County, KY? > > Zero > > How many SDMB posters have loved ones in Rowan County, KY? > > Zero > > How many SDMB posters even know where Rowan County, Kentucky IS? > > Zero > > And yet, the Mundane and Pointless RO is going in full force. :smack: Would that be recreational outrage at recreational outrage? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/62 "2015-08-15T19:12:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This. Kinda. I view this as 1) an internal matter and 2) one in which the person ultimately in charge is responsible. So, let the courts go to her boss, or her boss’s boss, and tell them that the person in that potion needs to be able to fulfill her duties ion accordance with the laws. Then the “boss” can either fire her or move her to another role where her duties do not conflict with her religious beliefs. We’re being wooshed, right? 😕 Because that was the point of the elected official discussion, not just nitpickery: having been elected, the rogue clerk has no “boss” but the voters. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/63 "2015-08-15T19:17:10Z")
**magellan** don’t need none of your _facts_, **John**. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/64 "2015-08-15T19:26:08Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > Go to another county, find another clerk. the solution to a problem did have a simple solution despite everything else since marriage itself is the end goal but it appears the end goal was really to be a drama queen. I don’t understand why those Yazidis are being such drama queens. If you don’t want to get beheaded, just leave Syria, don’t complain about it, GAWD! ---
**Author:** ![Lacunae\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lacunae\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lacunae_Matata)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/65 "2015-08-15T20:08:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This. Kinda. I view this as 1) an internal matter and 2) one in which the person ultimately in charge is responsible. So, let the courts go to her boss, or her boss’s boss, and tell them that the person in that potion needs to be able to fulfill her duties ion accordance with the laws. Then the “boss” can either fire her or move her to another role where her duties do not conflict with her religious beliefs. As an elected official, there’s no way to simply fire her, and from what I can ascertain, Kentucky has no procedure in place to recall an elected official. (Someone more knowledgeable, please correct me if I’m wrong.) However, this woman took an oath of office, and swore to uphold the Constitutions and laws of both the Commonwealth of Kentucky and the United States. Per the Supreme Court ruling, and the federal court ruling, she’s derelict in her duties, and in contempt of the federal court ruling. Beyond being held in contempt of court, I don’t know what legal remedies exist. But citizens of Rowan County shouldn’t have to travel to exercise their civil rights, just because this woman believes that she’s entitled to refuse to perform the job she campaigned for and gets paid to do. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/66 "2015-08-15T20:45:01Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This. Kinda. I view this as 1) an internal matter and 2) one in which the person ultimately in charge is responsible. So, let the courts go to her boss, or her boss’s boss, and tell them that the person in that potion needs to be able to fulfill her duties ion accordance with the laws. Then the “boss” can either fire her or move her to another role where her duties do not conflict with her religious beliefs. You didn’t actually READ the thread beyond that post before responding to it, did you? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/67 "2015-08-15T21:12:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Would that be recreational outrage at recreational outrage? Maybe so. When I posted, there were three RO threads by the same OP in the top ten on the BBQ Pit. It’s probably just me, but why bother getting outraged about things that you have no control over, and have nothing to do with you? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/68 "2015-08-16T00:22:48Z")
> [@Lacunae\_Matata](#): > > As an elected official, there’s no way to simply fire her, and from what I can ascertain, Kentucky has no procedure in place to recall an elected official. (Someone more knowledgeable, please correct me if I’m wrong.) However, this woman took an oath of office, and swore to uphold the Constitutions and laws of both the Commonwealth of Kentucky and the United States. Per the Supreme Court ruling, and the federal court ruling, she’s derelict in her duties, and in contempt of the federal court ruling. Beyond being held in contempt of court, I don’t know what legal remedies exist. But citizens of Rowan County shouldn’t have to travel to exercise their civil rights, just because this woman believes that she’s entitled to refuse to perform the job she campaigned for and gets paid to do. I agree with this. She clearly can’t be in the job. Someone must be able to remove her for something like dereliction of duty. Maybe the county commissioner, or if need be, the governor can appoint someone to do the job she won’t until they figure out how to remove her. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/69 "2015-08-16T00:23:49Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You didn’t actually READ the thread beyond that post before responding to it, did you? No. And? ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/70 "2015-08-16T03:51:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Nitpick: Liberty Counsel isn’t a law firm. It’s an advocacy group that provides pro bono legal assistance, like the ACLU or Cato Institute. Except that unlike the ACLU it’s full of assholes. An [editorial in the _Lexington Herald-Leader_](http://www.kentucky.com/2015/08/13/3987637_time-for-davis-to-do-her-job-or.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy) contained some interesting information about Liberty Counsel: > [@](#): > > Sharing Davis’ glow is Liberty Counsel, which describes itself as a nonprofit that provides pro bono legal representation related to “religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family,” funded by tax-deductible donations and grants. In 2012 those gifts reached just over $3.5 million and in 2013 topped $4.1 million, according to IRS filings. > > The husband and wife team who founded and run Liberty Counsel, Anita and Matthew Staver, were paid $137,758 and $153,591, respectively, in 2013. The staff of five ran up $184,479 in travel expenses that year and spent $429,584 on conferences, conventions and meetings. Liberty Counsel paid one independent contractor over $600,000 for “email alert services,” and another almost $500,000 for printing and mail services. “Case costs,” were reported at $105,487. The founders of Liberty Counsel are monetizing the current “religious liberty” outrage. Hell, they probably _want_ to lose cases, because that will fuel the outrage and increase their donations. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/71 "2015-08-16T04:02:15Z")
Gender nitpick: I believe Carol Stream was male. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/72 "2015-08-16T04:08:04Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s probably just me, but why bother getting outraged about things that you have no control over, and have nothing to do with you? Yeah, why bother worrying our pretty little heads about what’s happening in Iraq and Syria? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/73 "2015-08-16T12:03:34Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s probably just me, but why bother getting outraged about things that you have no control over, and have nothing to do with you? Nothing to do with you who? I’m an American. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/74 "2015-08-16T12:20:35Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > And if I don’t have any transport to the next county seat? A quick check makes it seem like at least a round-trip of an hour to the next county seat. And how do I know that the clerk at the next county over is issuing **same-sex licenses**? (Bolding mine) Or any licenses. As far as I can tell, Kim Davis stopped issuing marriage licenses of any sort. [QUOTE=NY Times Article] Kim Davis, the clerk in Rowan County, who says her Christian faith bars her from authorizing same-sex marriages, has refused to issue any licenses, either to same-sex or heterosexual couples after the historic ruling in June in the case of Obergefell v. Hodges. She has ignored a direct order from Gov. Steven L. Beshear that she do so. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/75 "2015-08-16T12:25:09Z")
Can you get married with a license from another county in Kentucky? You can’t everywhere, and it would be pretty awful for someone to plan and pay for a whole wedding only to find out that a recalcitrant official has unilaterally banned all weddings in their county. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/76 "2015-08-16T16:05:33Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Nothing to do with you who? I’m an American. Are you a Kentuckian? A resident of Rowan County? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/77 "2015-08-16T16:25:31Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > Go to another county, find another clerk. the solution to a problem did have a simple solution despite everything else since marriage itself is the end goal but it appears the end goal was really to be a drama queen. Or we could try expecting civil servants to obey the law. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/78 "2015-08-16T17:35:22Z")
[QUOTE=bobot] Those good Christian Clerks are just following the teachings of Jesus, who famously said: “Gay people? Fuck those guys.” [/quote] > [@dropzone](#): > > Have you [seen Him?](http://dreamatico.com/data_images/jesus/jesus-6.jpg) They’ll be lining up. I thought dropzone’s link would go to the [painting](http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2010/04/16/jesus-penis-abs-causes-controversy/) showing that Jesus wasn’t just crucified, he was hung, too. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/79 "2015-08-16T17:48:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Or we could try expecting civil servants to obey the law. Like the civil servants in San Francisco, Chicago and other places that are so-called sanctuary cities? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/80 "2015-08-16T17:52:25Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Like the civil servants in San Francisco, Chicago and other places that are so-called sanctuary cities? Which law are they breaking? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=5)