# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/881 "2015-09-09T16:42:32Z")
Oh, I don’t know. I think she’d be great as Huckabee’s VP. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/882 "2015-09-09T16:42:54Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > This morning I’m watching Fox news. They had Bill Donohue from the catholic advantage on and he was arguing that the ACLU supports groups of prisoners gathering in groups to pray, but they don’t support Kim Davis refusing to allow gay people to marry. And he can’t understand this contradiction. I can’t understand his argument. > > Anybody want to give it a shot? I mean, are prisoners somehow not doing doing their job when they gather to pray? I don’t get it. > > Plus I’d think a catholic fella would be ok with prayer. Donohue, (from the Catholic League–a “league” of a half dozen office workers and anyone he can con into sending him money), is an idiot. His premise is that anyone doing anything vaguely religious should be entitled to do so and wants to accuse the ACLU of hypocrisy for not supporting Davis. Of course, the ACLU has defended a number of people engaged n religious activities, but that is not what Davis is doing. Her action is to attempt to use her claimed religious beliefs to enforce her beliefs, (purportedly religious), on others through her power as the representative of the state. She is trying to enforce a theocratic action and that is in direct violation of the Constitution. Prisoners attempting to worship are protected by the bolded portion of the following section of the amendment: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, **or prohibiting the free exercise thereof** , . . ." Prisoners wishing to pray are engaged in the free exercise of their religion. A clerk imposing her own religious views on a bureaucratic procedure of the state is attmepting the establishment of a religion. But, as noted, Donohue is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/883 "2015-09-09T16:44:37Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Her best option to monetize it is to go back to jail open a fund me account… Nope, GoFundMe already [put the kibosh on that idea](http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-gofundme-kim-davis-crowdfunding-puts-brakes-disturbing-bigots-get-rich-quick-trend): > [@](#): > > But perhaps most relevant to Davis and her acolytes, back in the spring GoFundMe canceled a fundraising campaign for Aaron and Melissa Klein, the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, who’d recently been fined $135,000 for refusing to accommodate a wedding cake request for a gay couple. In a statement, GoFundMe explained, “After careful review by our team, we have found the ‘Support Sweet Cakes By Melissa’ campaign to be in violation of our Terms and Conditions. The money raised thus far will still be made available for withdrawal…. The subjects of the ‘Support Sweet Cakes By Melissa’ campaign have been formally charged by local authorities and found to be in violation of Oregon state law concerning discriminatory acts. Accordingly, the campaign has been disabled.” ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/884 "2015-09-09T16:50:14Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > Not to mention Bunning said ‘No shenanigans.’ Like when they closed for ‘computer upgrades’ or whatever that was. Well, \*technically \*she also had no discretion to not sign the marriage licenses… I wouldn’t put anything past her. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/885 "2015-09-09T16:52:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > hell, if the clerks (or anyone) wants her back in jail, they could easily make things seem like she was interfering. > > Fortunately - she’s already on record saying she will interfere - we just need her to do it. She pretty much has to, or she looks like an idiot to the only people who think she’s great. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/886 "2015-09-09T17:13:07Z")
> [@bup](#): > > She pretty much has to, or she looks like an idiot to the only people who think she’s great. Well, she has an out - she can always ‘not interfere’ under duress and claim persecution. Those pesky persecutors - they persecutin you either way you go. but otherwise - I agree - she really has put herself in a postion that requires her to shenan again. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/887 "2015-09-09T17:16:42Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > At least one of the deputies is [saying this exact thing](http://www.wlwt.com/news/released-ky-clerk-wont-be-at-work-before-friday-lawyer-says/35174680), so unless she does something like fire him for insubordination then the office will presumably be issuing licenses. Do you think with everything going on, she’ll be that stupid? \ Do you think he will be able to claim unemployment? ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/888 "2015-09-09T17:47:25Z")
The licenses they’ve been issuing since Thursday didn’t have her name on them, which was a little disappointing to me because that’s what she said she wanted at one point. (It was also disappointing because the deputies had no imagination and changed it from “Kim Davis, Rowan County County Clerk” to the tongue-twister “Rowan County, Rowan County County Clerk.” I mean come on people!) But that does take away her excuse for interfering. Her deputies can issue licenses and her name doesn’t have to be on them. She said in the past that she’d be ok with that. There should be no logical reason for her interfering again. Not that that would matter to her or her supporters, of course. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/889 "2015-09-09T18:07:36Z")
I suppose it’s possible that there are right-wing operatives encouraging her to continue to be obstinate (“you must hold fast in the name of Christ!”) so that they can continue to milk this. Also, fame, and the desire to remain in the limelight (and the profits that can come from all of that), can be powerful incentives for misbehavior. I guess we’ll know in a few days what her plans are. Maybe she doesn’t even know at this point. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/890 "2015-09-09T18:08:07Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > The licenses they’ve been issuing since Thursday didn’t have her name on them, which was a little disappointing to me because that’s what she said she wanted at one point. (It was also disappointing because the deputies had no imagination and changed it from “Kim Davis, Rowan County County Clerk” to the tongue-twister “Rowan County, Rowan County County Clerk.” I mean come on people!) > > But that does take away her excuse for interfering. Her deputies can issue licenses and her name doesn’t have to be on them. She said in the past that she’d be ok with that. There should be no logical reason for her interfering again. Not that that would matter to her or her supporters, of course. Technically - thats not a signature and would take legislation to make that legal - otherwise - she could have allowed that all along. She’s on a power trip, and isn’t likely to come down. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/891 "2015-09-09T18:33:45Z")
Her signature isn’t required. See statutes I linked earlier in the thread. Her _name_ is arguably required. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/892 "2015-09-09T18:36:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Her signature isn’t required. See statutes I linked earlier in the thread. Her _name_ is arguably required. Rigth - thats kinda what I sorta meant - long day - thanks for correcting. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/893 "2015-09-09T18:39:20Z")
And when she does violate the court’s “No Shenanigans” order, I wonder if she’ll go quietly to jail. Or will there be a standoff of some kind? ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/894 "2015-09-09T18:39:47Z")
Are there gay people camping out yet so they can be first in line for when she goes back to work? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/895 "2015-09-09T18:43:47Z")
> [@simster](#): > > She’s on a power trip, and isn’t likely to come down. 'Course not. The cross would have to come down first. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/896 "2015-09-09T18:52:27Z")
> [@Mr.Greenjeans](#): > > And when she does violate the court’s “No Shenanigans” order, I wonder if she’ll go quietly to jail. Or will there be a standoff of some kind? She went quietly the first time. She may be a holier-than-thou scofflaw, but she’s not a violent one. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/897 "2015-09-09T18:54:05Z")
We are like sheep without a shepherd We don’t know how to be alone So we wander 'round this desert And wind up following the wrong gods home But the flock cries out for another And they keep answering that bell **And one more starry-eyed messiah** Meets a violent farewell- Learn to be still Learn to be still ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/898 "2015-09-09T18:58:43Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Are there gay people camping out yet so they can be first in line for when she goes back to work? Actually, these days they’re allowed to stand in line without being campy. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/899 "2015-09-09T19:02:22Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > The licenses they’ve been issuing since Thursday didn’t have her name on them, which was a little disappointing to me because that’s what she said she wanted at one point. (It was also disappointing because the deputies had no imagination and changed it from “Kim Davis, Rowan County County Clerk” to the tongue-twister “Rowan County, Rowan County County Clerk.” I mean come on people!) I have decided that on any sov cit fotl or teabagger website, I shall have the user name “Rowan County” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/900 "2015-09-09T19:42:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Her signature isn’t required. See statutes I linked earlier in the thread. Her _name_ is arguably required. Based on this quote from [http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky/index.html) > [@](#): > > Davis previously said she will not authorize her office to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples unless the state removes the authority of her office from the forms. > > Her attorneys say, for example, that the governor or Legislature could make clear that the licenses are issued under the authority of the state, rather than her office. She wants the whole thing changed. Of course, her attorney thinks that something the judge could order - > [@](#): > > One of Davis’ attorneys said the judge hasn’t resolved anything. > > “We’ve asked for a simple solution – get her name and authority off the certificate. The judge could order that,” Staver said. and then they mutter something about judges making new laws - and then they don’t quite understand why they look so fucking stupid. I read the order the other day - the long one - It was a joy to read _every_ single\_ argument these people raised be shot down so effectively. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=46)