# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1141 "2015-09-14T10:41:20Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > The rest of us aren’t \*\*Trinopus \*\*and you’re still wrong. In Spanish, the verb “to be” when applied to his being wrong throughout his posts would be _ser_, not _estar_. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1142 "2015-09-14T13:05:54Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > > [@Princhester](#): > > > > The rest of us aren’t \*\*Trinopus \*\*and you’re still wrong. > > In Spanish, the verb “to be” when applied to his being wrong throughout his posts would be _ser_, not _estar_. Ummmm… thanks, **tomndebb**. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1143 "2015-09-14T13:07:59Z")
She might not interfere, although the article says that Kim says her deputies don’t have authority to issue licenses, her statement just says she won’t authorize them. Guess we’ll see, but it sounds like she’s just going to keep her name off them. [http://www.whas11.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/14/kim-davis-sept14-refusing-licences/72243966/](http://www.whas11.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/14/kim-davis-sept14-refusing-licences/72243966/) _Kim Davis made a statement Monday morning saying that “I’m here today before you with an impossible choice, my conscience or my freedom, I am no hero. Effective immediately and until an accommodation is provided, any marriage license provided will not be authorized by me.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1144 "2015-09-14T13:11:26Z")
Kim Davis: “I’m no hero.” I hate that she’s stealing Jonathan Katz’s joke. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1145 "2015-09-14T13:17:04Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > She might not interfere, although the article says that Kim says her deputies don’t have authority to issue licenses, her statement just says she won’t authorize them. Guess we’ll see, but it sounds like she’s just going to keep her name off them. > > [http://www.whas11.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/14/kim-davis-sept14-refusing-licences/72243966/](http://www.whas11.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/14/kim-davis-sept14-refusing-licences/72243966/) > > _Kim Davis made a statement Monday morning saying that “I’m here today before you with an impossible choice, my conscience or my freedom, I am no hero. Effective immediately and until an accommodation is provided, any marriage license provided will not be authorized by me.”_ Her conscience, her freedom _or her job_. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1146 "2015-09-14T13:33:42Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > No, you’re confused. Posters here are condemning Davis as a hypocrite and a liar if she says she sources her morality from the Bible and seeks to impose that morality on others but doesn’t follow the Bible herself. They are not condemning her for not following the Bible in itself. They are condemning her lies and hypocrisy. Most specifically, they (we) are claiming it is most likely that her stand is due to her personal, visceral aversion to Teh Gheyz, and is using a false claim of religious belief to justify it. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1147 "2015-09-14T14:11:55Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > She might not interfere, although the article says that Kim says her deputies don’t have authority to issue licenses, her statement just says she won’t authorize them. Guess we’ll see, but it sounds like she’s just going to keep her name off them. > > [http://www.whas11.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/14/kim-davis-sept14-refusing-licences/72243966/](http://www.whas11.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/14/kim-davis-sept14-refusing-licences/72243966/) > > _Kim Davis made a statement Monday morning saying that “I’m here today before you with an impossible choice, my conscience or my freedom, I am no hero. Effective immediately and until an accommodation is provided, any marriage license provided will not be authorized by me.”_ So it appears she is allowing clerks to issue licenses but she won’t sign them. How does this fit with Judge Bunning’s order and is it likely to keep her out of jail? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1148 "2015-09-14T14:18:21Z")
Bunning really doesn’t have jurisdiction to ensure the licenses are valid, and he didn’t order her to “authorize” them as a term of her release (just to not interfere). Standing jurisprudence differs from state to state, but practically speaking we won’t know how this affects the validity of the licenses until one of the couples divorces and one side or the other claims that marriage was invalid in order to avoid spousal support or somesuch. The KY attorney general could weigh in, but attorney general opinions are usually not binding. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1149 "2015-09-14T14:26:32Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So it appears she is allowing clerks to issue licenses but she won’t sign them. How does this fit with Judge Bunning’s order and is it likely to keep her out of jail? Well, she doesn’t want her name or the office name on them - she’s going out of her way to “not authorize” them - as if her opinion on the marriage matters. She’s not authorizing the marriage - she’s certifying the couple is legally able to get married - but that falls on her deaf ears. Personally, I think she is still interfering, but we won’t really know until someone comes into get a license. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1150 "2015-09-14T14:26:52Z")
According to the Yahoo article that I just read, the Governor, KY AG and the County attorney all have said that the licenses are legal. That should be good enough for anyone trying to challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1151 "2015-09-14T14:26:54Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Bunning really doesn’t have jurisdiction to ensure the licenses are valid, and he didn’t order her to “authorize” them as a term of her release (just to not interfere). Standing jurisprudence differs from state to state, but practically speaking we won’t know how this affects the validity of the licenses until one of the couples divorces and one side or the other claims that marriage was invalid in order to avoid spousal support or somesuch. The KY attorney general could weigh in, but attorney general opinions are usually not binding. Wasn’t she refusing to issue _any_ marriage licenses to avoid sinning? Are all licenses now being issued without her name? Will there be a bunch of bastards born in her county? (More than usual, that is?) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1152 "2015-09-14T14:34:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > In Spanish, the verb “to be” when applied to his being wrong throughout his posts would be _ser_, not _estar_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1153 "2015-09-14T14:39:44Z")
> [@](#): > > According to the Yahoo article that I just read, the Governor, KY AG and the County attorney all have said that the licenses are legal. That should be good enough for anyone trying to challenge. None of those are “good enough for anyone trying to challenge.” Obviously, their opinions are helpful, but they are not authoritative (and to be frank, the Governor and AG have a strong political interest in getting this story off the front pages). It’s good enough for anyone being prosecuted for unlawful cohabitation or something, but that’s highly unlikely to happen anyway. The statute specifically requires that Davis’ name be on the license. We won’t know whether the licenses are actually valid until a court rules on the validity of one, or the legislature passes something retroactively validating them. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Wasn’t she refusing to issue _any_ marriage licenses to avoid sinning? Are all licenses now being issued without her name? Will there be a bunch of bastards born in her county? (More than usual, that is?) Yes. The licenses are now being issued [without her name](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2377864-miller-et-al-v-davis-et-al-pacer.html) on them (though I suspect her name is still on the stamp). That was exactly what she had asked for, so at this point it’s pretty obvious that she is just trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1154 "2015-09-14T14:48:52Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > In Spanish, the verb “to be” when applied to his being wrong throughout his posts would be _ser_, not _estar_. > [@bienville](#): > > Ummmm… thanks, **tomndebb**. In Spanish (insofar as I understand it, which is at the basic “Dos cervazas, por favor” level), _estar_ means “to be”, but only on a temporary level: _ **bosbfdsfd** esta una idiota_ = “ **bosbfdsfd** is a mouth-breathing troglodyte (at this moment)”. _Ser_ is also “to be”, but referring to more fundamental qualities of identity: “_ **bosbfdsfd** _ es una idiota” = “ **bosbfdsfd** is a mouth-breathing troglodyte (and has been since leaving the womb)”. **tomndebb** was giving a very subtle insult. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1155 "2015-09-14T14:51:09Z")
Am I the only one who caught this?[ > [@Kim Davis](#): > > I love my deputy clerks and I hate that they have been caught in the middle of any of this. If any of them feel that they must issue an authorized license to avoid being thrown in jail, I understand their tough choice and I will take no action against them. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_GAY\_MARRIAGE\_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-14-09-42-54](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GAY_MARRIAGE_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-14-09-42-54))In other words, she’s still terrorizing her staff. None of them can say they are doing it because it’s the right thing to do or because they have no problem with SSM or Mrs. Davis will then, presumably, fire them. What a self-centered, righteous ass she is. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1156 "2015-09-14T14:51:27Z")
First gay couple has arrived to get their license. (you know, I really don’t like calling them a “gay couple” - i’d prefer to just call them a couple - whats the right way to fix the wording???) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1157 "2015-09-14T14:57:32Z")
Definitely [not](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/) the first gay couple. Maybe you meant since Davis went back to work? It’s okay to call them a gay couple (though I think same-sex would be preferred) when the point is to distinguish them from opposite-sex couples. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1158 "2015-09-14T15:01:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Definitely [not](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/) the first gay couple. Maybe you meant since Davis went back to work? > > It’s okay to call them a gay couple (though I think same-sex would be preferred) when the point is to distinguish them from opposite-sex couples. First today is what I meant - since she “returned”. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1159 "2015-09-14T15:34:43Z")
update (cnn) > [@](#): > > (CNN)[Breaking news update, 11:15 a.m. ET] > > Carmen and Shannon Wampler-Collins walked out of the Rowan County, Kentucky, clerk’s office with a marriage license Monday morning. They were the first same-sex couple to apply for a marriage license since clerk Kim Davis returned to her job. Davis vowed not to issue licenses to gay couples, but said she wouldn’t stop her deputies from doing so. IU keep reading her saying “same sex licenses can be issued without her name” - wonder if other licenses will be issueed WITH her name and how that qualifies things - still treats SS couples as second class. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1160 "2015-09-14T15:57:03Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Damn. You’re right…sorta. **Bridget Burke** ’s comment was in response to a “hunh, hunh, Kim Davis is a ho!” post by **YogSosoth** , not you. _Mea culpa_. **Bridget** ’s point about slut shaming is valid, though, and her post wasn’t the stupidest thing in the thread, by a long shot. In my defense, I wasn’t out to slut shame Davis. It was more hypocrishy shaming than anything. It just so happens her hypocrisy had to do with sex and multiple marriages. If this issue was, for example, about drugs, my post would have called her out on her being a drug-addled gasbag. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=59)