# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1161 "2015-09-14T16:32:40Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > Sure we are, just not in the way you’re hoping 🙂 > > You are indeed invoking it to condemn her morality, so others get to invoke it to question yours. Nonsense. Someone not living up to the standard they place upon themselves is an issue. Calling out that person while not living up to that standard when you decidedly and statedly do _not_ place that standard upon yourself is entirely valid. Let’s try making this clear. Let’s say that my holy book has two doctrines, and I hold this holy book up as the source of my morality: 1. All republicans need to be denied the right to vote 2. All people who win Marvel vs. Capcom 3 tournaments need to be burned at the stake I use that first rule to demand that you lose your voice in the government. Then, later on, [this happens](http://www.twitch.tv/fight_club_nrw/v/15822881?t=1h39m0s), and I completely ignore my own principles and refuse to burn myself at the stake. Do you need to _accept_ these asinine rules in order to point out that I’m a huge fucking hypocrite? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1162 "2015-09-14T17:08:10Z")
Research time! Checked Wikipedia for the[demographic data](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan_County,_Kentucky) on Rowan County. > [@](#): > > The median income for a household in the county was $33,081. Males had a median income of $26,777 versus $20,104 for females. The per capita income for the county was $13,888. About 15.90% of families and 21.30% of the population were below the poverty line, including 20.80% of those under age 18 and 16.20% of those age 65 or over. > > As of 2014, the county had 14,263 registered voters.[20] Of these, 9,394 were Democrats, 3,929 were Republicans, and 626 listed themselves as members of other parties. How many of these fine folks knew how much Ms Davis is getting paid? Might some of them think $80,000 per yr is rather high? Also, she’s\* got\* to be a Democrat to win an election there. The county is overwhelmingly white–no surprise if it wasn’t plantation country before the Civil War. And probably no real enticements for non-whites to move in… And it’s dry except for the town of Morehead–which boasts [Morehead State University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morehead_State_University). ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1163 "2015-09-14T18:11:52Z")
Some people thought Kim was overpaid when she was a deputy working for her mom. > **[Kim Davis was overpaid as a deputy clerk, barely won a primary election --...](https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/kim-davis-was-overpaid-as-a-deputy-clerk-barely-won-a-primary-election-and-then-hired-her-21-year-old-son/)** > > Kim Davis has generated a lot of news for a rural county clerk in her first year on the job, but she's no stranger to controversy.The 49-year-old Davis, who has been held in contempt of court and jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to... \*The Rowan County Fiscal Court, the county’s governing body, cut Bailey’s budget in 2011 for the first time in 32 years after residents complained about her daughter’s salary — which was significantly higher than the chief deputies of any other county agency. Davis earned an annual wage of $51,812 in 2011, along with an additional $11,301 in overtime pay and other compensation. By comparison, the sheriff’s chief deputy was paid $38,000 and the deputy judge-executive received $36,000 — and neither of those public officials received any overtime pay.\* ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1164 "2015-09-14T18:24:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Definitely [not](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/) the first gay couple. Well, the \*first \*gay couple would, I believe, be Adam and Steve. ---
**Author:** ![missred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/missred/32/14096_2.png) [@missred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missred)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1165 "2015-09-14T18:43:19Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Research time! Checked Wikipedia for the[demographic data](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan_County,_Kentucky) on Rowan County. > > How many of these fine folks knew how much Ms Davis is getting paid? Might some of them think $80,000 per yr is rather high? Also, she’s\* got\* to be a Democrat to win an election there. > > The county is overwhelmingly white–no surprise if it wasn’t plantation country before the Civil War. And probably no real enticements for non-whites to move in… > > And it’s dry except for the town of Morehead–which boasts [Morehead State University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morehead_State_University). Correction: that part of Kentucky definitely wasn’t plantation country before the ACW. It’s part of the southern Appalachians. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1166 "2015-09-14T18:57:55Z")
> [@missred](#): > > Correction: that part of Kentucky definitely wasn’t plantation country before the ACW. It’s part of the southern Appalachians. _Correction?_ I wrote “The county is overwhelmingly white–no surprise if it wasn’t plantation country before the Civil War.” Which, to me, indicates that it was\* not\* plantation country. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1167 "2015-09-14T19:07:05Z")
Eastern Kentucky is hilly, suited only for small farms, not big, flat cotton fields, so yes. That part of Appalachia never had much slavery, and had little sympathy for the Confederate cause. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1168 "2015-09-14T19:09:31Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > _Correction?_ I wrote “The county is overwhelmingly white–no surprise if it wasn’t plantation country before the Civil War.” > > Which, to me, indicates that it was\* not\* plantation country. Then you expressed yourself badly, I thought you were saying you wouldn’t have been surprised if it had been plantation country. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1169 "2015-09-14T19:12:24Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Then you expressed yourself badly, I thought you were saying you wouldn’t have been surprised if it had been plantation country. Or perhaps you have a comprehension problem. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1170 "2015-09-14T19:27:20Z")
The first time saw that phrase myself I thought it meant what you intended it to mean, especially since I knew it was in or at least close to Appalachia. Then I read the sentence again and concluded you meant that it wouldn’t surprise you if this were formerly plantation country. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1171 "2015-09-14T19:28:44Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > While I applaud you for proving my point and using the Bible to question someone’s morality, I’m afraid I haven’t used it to cast aspersions on anyone. Better luck next time 🙂 But you did; you questioned the morality of those who questioned Davis’ morality. That means we (I) get to question yours. And you’re failing like a turd in a punch bowl. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1172 "2015-09-14T20:06:29Z")
There are two other Kentucky county clerks who are saying they would not issue licenses to same sex couples, but no such couples have appeared before them to ask for licenses. The state legislature is contemplating taking the licensing process out of the hands of the county clerks and making it a state responsibility. But at the same time, the state wants to take the licensing fee, which currently is going to the county clerks’ offices. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1173 "2015-09-14T20:17:21Z")
What do plantains have anything to do with this? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1174 "2015-09-14T20:22:18Z")
Kentucky is bananas. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1175 "2015-09-14T20:25:14Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Or perhaps you have a comprehension problem. No, I’m gonna go with “you expressed yourself poorly” there. You referenced the history of the area with an “if” without ever giving us the information we needed to know that your “if” was a negative, not an affirmative. Had your sentence been preceded by a cite or a sentence telling us the area was historically poor and white and not a part of the slave-holding South, your sentence would have been fine, but that’s not what you did. Now let’s all get back to something we can agree on without reservation: Kim Davis is a fucking malicious douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1176 "2015-09-14T20:27:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > There are two other Kentucky county clerks who are saying they would not issue licenses to same sex couples, but no such couples have appeared before them to ask for licenses. The state legislature is contemplating taking the licensing process out of the hands of the county clerks and making it a state responsibility. But at the same time, the state wants to take the licensing fee, which currently is going to the county clerks’ offices. And there might be the key to all of this. If you don’t license all eligible people, the repsonsibility and the money goes to the State. If people of the county don’t like losing funds because of an intolerant clerk, they can elect someone else. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1177 "2015-09-14T20:32:30Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > There are two other Kentucky county clerks who are saying they would not issue licenses to same sex couples, but no such couples have appeared before them to ask for licenses. The state legislature is contemplating taking the licensing process out of the hands of the county clerks and making it a state responsibility. But at the same time, the state wants to take the licensing fee, which currently is going to the county clerks’ offices. how would that actually help?? since the same ‘clerks’ would still have to issue the damn licenses. They need to get off the "i’m important, I ‘authorize’ these marriages’ train and become the public _servants_ they were elected to be. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1178 "2015-09-14T20:34:06Z")
The state is talking about setting up an online registration process. Of course, that would require you to have net access. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1179 "2015-09-14T20:38:40Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The state is talking about setting up an online registration process. Of course, that would require you to have net access. That might be an improvement. The clerks wouldn’t be able to decide from looking at them that they woren’t “worthy” of a license. ---
**Author:** ![missred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/missred/32/14096_2.png) [@missred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missred)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1180 "2015-09-14T20:48:06Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Or perhaps you have a comprehension problem. I interpreted it the same way as **outliern**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=60)