# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1201 "2015-09-15T05:07:27Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > And I’m sure she appreciates you looking out for her personal failings, because you can totally read her mind and know the exact interpretation of the Bible her specific sect practices, since you’re a studied theological expert and all. She stated quite clearly that she holds up the bible as her standard for morality, and uses it as an excuse to deny marriage to homosexuals. However, the bible is _incredibly_ explicit about marriage, and it simply is not possible to read it as being not okay for two men to marry, but okay for a woman to remarry 4 times. I don’t believe in the bible. I think it’s a terrible guide to morality, and I have _no problem_ with someone remarrying 4 times. However, if that person says, “My holy scripture says that men cannot get married to other men” and uses that as a cudgel to infringe on people’s rights, then pointing out that her holy scripture has a rather dim view of divorce as well shows clearly that she is a hypocrite. Let’s be clear here. My problem is not that she got married 4 times. It’s that she got married 4 times while espousing a set of values that _clearly forbid that_. > [@](#): > > And entirely hypocritical. If you want to insult someone for the laughable “crime” of not following every word of the Bible (a standard a four-year old would be embarrassed to come up with) Well, I’m glad we agree that the Bible is an absolutely shitty source of consistent morality, and that any christian who appeals to it is a massive hypocrite. 🙂 But I’m not doing that. I’m not criticizing her for not following the bible, I’m criticizing her for _claiming_ to follow the bible and then completely failing. You completely ignored my comparison, which illustrates the nonsensical folly in this argument. If I claim that my holy book says that gays and idiots should be burned at the stake, and use the latter clause to nearly get you lynched, then get caught blowing a male prostitute, it doesn’t matter whether or not you think gay people or idiots should be lynched, I’m _still a hypocrite_. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1202 "2015-09-15T07:41:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > My problem is not that she got married 4 times. It’s that she got married 4 times while espousing a set of values that _clearly forbid that_. Technically, no. Her “come to Jesus” moment was in 2010 which was after all the divorces. And from one perspective, living with her fourth husband is not currently living in sin. In Matthew 19:9, Jesus arguably says that adultery is a legitimate basis for a valid divorce. Davis committed adultery in the first marriage, so there’s a reasonable argument that the first marriage is null and void. Unless there was adultery in the second marriage, then, the second divorce would be invalid. The third divorce and remarriage to the second husband, then, would be immaterial – by Matt. 19:9 she was still married to her second husband in the eyes of God. ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1203 "2015-09-15T08:00:11Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Technically, no. Her “come to Jesus” moment was in 2010 which was after all the divorces. And from one perspective, living with her fourth husband is not currently living in sin. Since 2010, has she ever denied marriage licences to people who are marrying after divorce? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1204 "2015-09-15T08:04:07Z")
> [@Eliahna](#): > > Since 2010, has she ever denied marriage licences to people who are marrying after divorce? That’s a much better argument to make. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1205 "2015-09-15T09:04:30Z")
How do the people getting marriage licenses unsigned and inscribed “pursuant to court order” feel about these physical licenses? Is it a mark of honor (“Kim Davis tried to stop us”) or an annoyance? If the latter, I hope they complain to the judge and get the asshole Davis thrown back into jail. … And there’s Huckabee, “Presidential candidate”, supporting the bitch. America’s GOP really has become self-parody. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1206 "2015-09-15T13:49:40Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Technically, no. Her “come to Jesus” moment was in 2010 which was after all the divorces. And from one perspective, living with her fourth husband is not currently living in sin. > > In Matthew 19:9, Jesus arguably says that adultery is a legitimate basis for a valid divorce. Davis committed adultery in the first marriage, so there’s a reasonable argument that the first marriage is null and void. Unless there was adultery in the second marriage, then, the second divorce would be invalid. The third divorce and remarriage to the second husband, then, would be immaterial – by Matt. 19:9 she was still married to her second husband in the eyes of God. Point taken, but as Eliahna pointed out (and you seem to accept), she’s still a stupid hypocrite. I don’t get why this is so hard for some people to understand. The biggest critics of Ted Haggard _didn’t think being gay was wrong_. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1207 "2015-09-15T14:06:28Z")
My frustrations come less from any seeming hypocrisy _in re_ divorce and remarriage–I’m totally down with the born-again forgiveness tip–and more from the fact that _Ms. Davis swore an oath to uphold the Constitution._ I know what the Bible has to say about marriage, divorce, and homosexuality. I also know what it has to say about oathbreaking. That shit ain’t pretty. . ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1208 "2015-09-15T14:12:11Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Either way, the fact remains that the requisite information of the parties is being properly recorded on the county’s licenses, and the licences are being issued by deputies in accordance with the statute. Just because the certificates don’t have a gold tassel does not invalidate them. The problem is that the statute delegates the authority to specify what the form looks like to the Department for Libraries and Archives, and their administrative code rule requires the clerk’s name. It also requires an authorization statement _of the clerk_ (versus the other requirements that specify “or deputy clerk”). This isn’t a gold fringe problem; it’s a genuine issue of administrative law. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1209 "2015-09-15T14:43:54Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Technically, no. Her “come to Jesus” moment was in 2010 which was after all the divorces. And from one perspective, living with her fourth husband is not currently living in sin. > > In Matthew 19:9, Jesus arguably says that adultery is a legitimate basis for a valid divorce. Davis committed adultery in the first marriage, so there’s a reasonable argument that the first marriage is null and void. Unless there was adultery in the second marriage, then, the second divorce would be invalid. The third divorce and remarriage to the second husband, then, would be immaterial – by Matt. 19:9 she was still married to her second husband in the eyes of God. That’s a reason for someone to divorce _her_; it’s not a reason for _her_ to divorce someone. I’m not digging through 25 pages of this thread to find out who it was that point out that her literalism requires her to be hanging with hubby #1, but that’s already been mentioned in this thread. I don’t know of any perspective, other than the self-serving one, that has the perspective you mention. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1210 "2015-09-15T14:59:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Point taken, but as Eliahna pointed out (and you seem to accept), she’s still a stupid hypocrite. > > I don’t get why this is so hard for some people to understand. The biggest critics of Ted Haggard _didn’t think being gay was wrong_. It’s difficult for them to understand because it invalidates their talking point (which is, essentially “no, you’re the hypocrite!”), and insincere talking points are all they have. The fact that their arguments are mostly variants of “I’m rubber, you’re glue…” is very telling. If they had better arguments, they’d use them. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1211 "2015-09-15T16:22:59Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I don’t get why this is so hard for some people to understand. The biggest critics of Ted Haggard _didn’t think being gay was wrong_. Willful ignorance. I think at some level they do understand, which goes against their worldview, which causes them to dig their heels in further. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1212 "2015-09-15T18:41:28Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Willful ignorance. I think at some level they do understand, which goes against their worldview, which causes them to dig their heels in further. Amen. Like the newest dumb person in this thread, bobwhatever, an effort is actually made to \*NOT \*understand something. Or, even more dishonestly, to make an effort to pretend to not get it. Stupefying, it is, but only to the practitioner. ---
**Author:** ![bosbfdsfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@bosbfdsfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bosbfdsfd)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1213 "2015-09-15T22:08:23Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > She stated quite clearly that she holds up the bible as her standard for morality, and uses it as an excuse to deny marriage to homosexuals. However, the bible is _incredibly_ explicit about marriage, and it simply is not possible to read it as being not okay for two men to marry, but okay for a woman to remarry 4 times. > > I don’t believe in the bible. I think it’s a terrible guide to morality, and I have _no problem_ with someone remarrying 4 times. However, if that person says, “My holy scripture says that men cannot get married to other men” and uses that as a cudgel to infringe on people’s rights, then pointing out that her holy scripture has a rather dim view of divorce as well shows clearly that she is a hypocrite. > > Let’s be clear here. My problem is not that she got married 4 times. It’s that she got married 4 times while espousing a set of values that _clearly forbid that_. He said, while using the Bible to insult a woman for getting remarried. Sure, you don’t believe in the Bible, hypocrite, which is why you’re constantly using it to impugn this person’s morality. > [@](#): > > Well, I’m glad we agree that the Bible is an absolutely shitty source of consistent morality, and that any christian who appeals to it is a massive hypocrite. 🙂 Then perhaps liberals should stop using the Bible to comment endlessly on Christians’ morality. They’re the ones claiming that “follow every word of the Bible or else” is an acceptable barometer for someone else’s (and never their own) morality, and then they cry when hoisted on their own retards. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1214 "2015-09-15T22:15:27Z")
> [@bosbfdsfd](#): > > Then perhaps liberals should stop using the Bible to comment endlessly on Christians’ morality. Why? They’re the ones claiming they know what is moral and what is not, because the bible tells them so. Seem fair to point out when they are misinformed. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1215 "2015-09-15T22:15:52Z")
_Petard_, dipshit. And claiming that _liberals_ are the ones who brought the Bible into the conversation is high quality trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1216 "2015-09-15T22:16:45Z")
**bosbfdsfd** , you are truly the worst internet troll I’ve seen this decade. You don’t even understand what it is you think you’re trolling against (or for) nor do you understand the posts you’re replying to. It’s pathetic and sad; I feel sorry for you. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1217 "2015-09-15T23:57:54Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > **bosbfdsfd** , you are truly the worst internet troll I’ve seen this decade . . . Starving Artist & Lonesome Polecat. Bricker when he’s really on a tear. We’ve had some very, very high standards set for us here! ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1218 "2015-09-16T02:44:06Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Starving Artist & Lonesome Polecat. Bricker when he’s really on a tear. > > We’ve had some very, very high standards set for us here! I don’t know that I would strictly call **Bricker** a troll. A rage-inducing pedant, yes, but not really a troll. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1219 "2015-09-16T03:09:21Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I don’t know that I would strictly call **Bricker** a troll. > > A rage-inducing pedant, yes, but not really a troll. true dat! I’ve learned tons from Bricker, and he adds positively to this board. But, ya, rage-inducing cedant, check. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1220 "2015-09-16T03:13:09Z")
Agree re Bricker. Not troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=62)