# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1301 "2015-09-19T03:17:32Z")
Drink, hell, somebody get that man a sex robot. It’s the gift that keeps on giving. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1302 "2015-09-21T09:22:53Z")
Brian Mason is basically “I’m trying to follow the court’s order but my stupidhead boss keeps dicking around with the forms so if the licenses turn out to be invalid IT’S NOT MY FAULT please don’t send me to jail.” ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1303 "2015-09-21T15:37:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Brian Mason is basically “I’m trying to follow the court’s order but my stupidhead boss keeps dicking around with the forms so if the licenses turn out to be invalid IT’S NOT MY FAULT please don’t send me to jail.” I feel for the poor man! But this summation still gave me a chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1304 "2015-09-21T15:38:12Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I imagine the appeals court has a single trash can sitting by itself in the corner of the room with the words “Kim Davis’ Bullshit” on the side. Convenient, since it can be repurposed as a porta-potty when she ends up back in jail. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1305 "2015-09-21T16:43:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Brian Mason is basically “I’m trying to follow the court’s order but my stupidhead boss keeps dicking around with the forms so if the licenses turn out to be invalid IT’S NOT MY FAULT please don’t send me to jail.” I wonder if a hired employee can sue the elected official for trying to obstruct his duties that he was hired to do.----- Well, you can sue anyone. But. If I was in Brians shoes, I would love to get fired for following an order from a Federal judge. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1306 "2015-09-22T04:42:48Z")
The saga continues![ > [@](#): > > Gay couples in Kentucky are questioning the validity of altered marriage licenses issued by a defiant county clerk and have asked a federal judge to order her to reissue the licenses or put the office in receivership and have someone else do it. > [@](#): > > When she returned to work last week, she confiscated the marriage licenses and replaced them. The new licenses say they were issued not under the authority of the county clerk, but “pursuant to federal court order.” Davis said this accommodation preserves her conscience while also granting licenses to same-sex couples. > > But on Monday, lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union wrote that the validity of the altered licenses is “questionable at best,” and that the new licenses bring “humiliation and stigma” to the gay couples who receive them. They asked U.S. District Judge David Bunning to order Davis’ office to reissue the licenses. If Davis interferes, the lawyers say Bunning should place her office in a receivership for the purposes of issuing marriage licenses. > > “The adulterated marriage licenses received by Rowan County couples will effectively feature a stamp of animus against the LGBT community, signaling that, in Rowan County, the government’s position is that LGBT couples are second-class citizens unworthy of official recognition and authorization of their marriage licenses but for this Court’s intervention and Order,” the lawyers for the couples wrote in a court filing. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_GAY\_MARRIAGE\_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-22-00-31-04](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GAY_MARRIAGE_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-22-00-31-04))I see another trip to the pokey for Mrs. Davis… ETA: Her “attorney”, Mat Staver, has some words: > [@Mat Staver](#): > > Kim Davis has made a good-faith effort to comply with the court’s order. :dubious::rolleyes: > [@Mat Staver](#): > > The ACLU’s motion to again hold Kim Davis in contempt reveals that their interest is not the license but rather a marriage license bearing the name of Kim Davis. Yep, just like the law says it should. > [@Mat Staver](#): > > They want her scalp to hang on the wall as a trophy. :dubious::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![chancetx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@chancetx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chancetx)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1307 "2015-09-22T06:27:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Mat Staver > Kim Davis has made a good-faith effort to comply with the court’s order. What a dick. In every interview he gives he keeps repeating how the licenses without Davis’ name are invalid. Now he’s claiming she’s complying with the court? :smack: The arrogant asshole-ishness…it hurts. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1308 "2015-09-22T11:59:40Z")
If I read/understood the statutes correctly, the signature of the deputy would have sufficed - it still needed the clerks office and county on them as well. Which, my understanding of the first couple of licenses issued, did - but not the one once she went back to ‘work’. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1309 "2015-09-22T14:29:34Z")
I don’t know if this is Bunning’s jurisdiction. Only the state can decide if they’re valid, Bunning’s order is only to issue licenses. Issuing faulty licenses might qualify as shenanigans, but I don’t think he can decide whether they’re faulty or not. Whoever decides this, it should be hard for her to defend against. She maintains that the licenses issued without her signature are invalid and surely the alterations she has done since haven’t done anything to help the validity. By her own logic, if they were invalid before (the country and state disagrees), her alterations should make them WAY invalid now. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1310 "2015-09-22T14:41:09Z")
Bunning can decide if Davis is complying with his order, and can order her to issue valid licenses if necessary. What he can’t do is declare the licenses valid himself. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1311 "2015-09-22T15:37:50Z")
[ > [@](#): > > “I have never once spouted a word of hate. I have not been hateful,” she said. She also said the licenses going out of her office now, issued by a deputy clerk, don’t have her authorization and are “not valid in God’s eyes.” ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_GAY\_MARRIAGE\_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-22-08-09-05](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GAY_MARRIAGE_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-22-08-09-05))She has now publicly crossed the line into “deranged, delusional sociopath”, IMO. I said it was wrong for Judge Bunning to release her without her capitulation, because I knew that she and her supporters would see it as a victory, and I was right. That emboldened her so that she feels she can do what she wants, since she did not submit to a “lower” authority and, in her mind, the “lower” authority was “powerless” against her and her god. Put her back in jail and let her rot there until she relents. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1312 "2015-09-22T15:43:50Z")
FFS 5 minutes goes by SOOOOO fast. I said it was wrong for Judge Bunning to release her without her capitulation, because I knew that she and her supporters would see it as a victory, and I was right. IMO, that emboldened her so that she feels she can do what she wants, since she did not submit to a “lower” authority and, in her mind, the “lower” authority was “powerless” against her and her god. Put her back in jail and let her rot there until she relents, says the words the Judge wants to hear, and then let her go, knowing that she will know she was defeated and her only recourse is to acknowledge that she either lied when she capitulated or will have to lie now in order to continue denying valid licenses to all couples. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1313 "2015-09-22T15:51:34Z")
> [@](#): > > “I have never once spouted a word of hate. I have not been hateful,” she said. She also said the licenses going out of her office now, issued by a deputy clerk, don’t have her authorization and are “not valid in God’s eyes.” I don’t think the court would have any problem with that. So long as they are legally valid, the court shouldn’t give two fucks about what is valid in god’s eyes. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1314 "2015-09-22T19:05:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t think the court would have any problem with that. So long as they are legally valid, the court shouldn’t give two fucks about what is valid in god’s eyes. Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1315 "2015-09-22T19:07:12Z")
Was she asked if they were _legally_ valid, in her opinion? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1316 "2015-09-22T19:10:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > FFS 5 minutes goes by SOOOOO fast. > > I said it was wrong for Judge Bunning to release her without her capitulation, because I knew that she and her supporters would see it as a victory, and I was right. IMO, that emboldened her so that she feels she can do what she wants, since she did not submit to a “lower” authority and, in her mind, the “lower” authority was “powerless” against her and her god. Put her back in jail and let her rot there until she relents, says the words the Judge wants to hear, and then let her go, knowing that she will know she was defeated and her only recourse is to acknowledge that she either lied when she capitulated or will have to lie now in order to continue denying valid licenses to all couples. Ha! You’re proving **Mat Staver’s** point. So, in your book what would qualify as “capitulation”, and why is it important? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1317 "2015-09-22T19:32:08Z")
Issuing valid licenses. Because it’s her job. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1318 "2015-09-22T19:55:07Z")
What a stupid fucking shitcunt. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1319 "2015-09-22T19:58:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Ha! You’re proving **Mat Staver’s** point. So, in your book what would qualify as “capitulation”, and why is it important? Doing her fucking job, because the Supreme Court of the United States has determined that it is her fucking job. Is it really that fucking hard to figure out? ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1320 "2015-09-22T22:59:17Z")
I don’t care about her past marriages or her views on same sex marriage, but this traitor needs to start following the Constitution that she swore to uphold. That’s capitulation. To either uphold the Constitution or get out of the way of people who do. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was she asked if they were _legally_ valid, in her opinion? When asked if they were valid, she said (I’m typing this from the [video](https://gma.yahoo.com/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-denied-marriage-licenses-her-113024833--abc-news-topstories.html#), may contain errors): _“They’re not valid in God’s eyes, for one… And, um, you know, I think the authority… I have given no authority to write a marriage license. They did not have my permission, they did not have my authorization.”_ So, I dunno, take that for what it’s worth. People throw around words like “delusional” and I don’t give it much thought, but after watching that video… well, she really creeps me out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=67)