# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1321 "2015-09-22T23:55:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Ha! You’re proving **Mat Staver’s** point. So, in your book what would qualify as “capitulation”, and why is it important? Capitulation would be agreeing to do the job she swore an oath to do, as it is prescribed by law. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1322 "2015-09-23T00:01:04Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I don’t care about her past marriages or her views on same sex marriage, but this traitor needs to start following the Constitution that she swore to uphold. That’s capitulation. To either uphold the Constitution or get out of the way of people who do. > > When asked if they were valid, she said (I’m typing this from the [video](https://gma.yahoo.com/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-denied-marriage-licenses-her-113024833--abc-news-topstories.html#), may contain errors): > > _“They’re not valid in God’s eyes, for one… And, um, you know, I think the authority… I have given no authority to write a marriage license. They did not have my permission, they did not have my authorization.”_ > > So, I dunno, take that for what it’s worth. > > People throw around words like “delusional” and I don’t give it much thought, but after watching that video… well, she really creeps me out. There was a quote in one of the articles I read from her - “… when I was a part of the world” - she’s so far into the cult mindset its truly not funny. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1323 "2015-09-23T00:02:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Capitulation would be agreeing to do the job she swore an oath to do, as it is prescribed by law. But if the new task (issuing SSM licenses) goes against her religious convictions, then what? As I stated earlier, I think she should either issue them or resign. But since she doesn’t want to do that, what do you suggest? What is “capitulation” to you. And how can she be made to do so? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1324 "2015-09-23T00:03:48Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > What a stupid fucking shitcunt. **magellan01** or Kim Davis? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1325 "2015-09-23T00:03:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Doing her fucking job, because the Supreme Court of the United States has determined that it is her fucking job. Is it really that fucking hard to figure out? Are you of the mind that the state can and/or should force someone to act in a way that is counter to her religious convictions. If so, how should they go about it? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1326 "2015-09-23T00:05:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Are you of the mind that the state can and/or should force someone to act in a way that is counter to her religious convictions. If so, how should they go about it? Like if someone at the DMV doesn’t think women should be able to drive? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1327 "2015-09-23T00:07:49Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But if the new task (issuing SSM licenses) goes against her religious convictions, then what? As I stated earlier, I think she should either issue them or resign. But since she doesn’t want to do that, what do you suggest? What is “capitulation” to you. And how can she be made to do so? Ddamn, I forgot just how stupid you are. She should do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the law requires. Capitulation would be agreeing to do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the law requires. If she doesn’t want to do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the requires she should resign. If she is unwilling to resign and unwilling to do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the law requires she should be jailed until she either agrees to do her job (the one she took an oath to do) as the law requires or until she is removed from office according to the laws of the state of Kentucky. Holy fuck, **magellan01** , you are stupid as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1328 "2015-09-23T00:08:02Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But if the new task (issuing SSM licenses) goes against her religious convictions, then what? As I stated earlier, I think she should either issue them or resign. But since she doesn’t want to do that, what do you suggest? What is “capitulation” to you. And how can she be made to do so? I’m not **Snowboarder Bo** , but my answers to your four questions would be: - she should resign; - she should issue them or resign; - issuing the licences or resigning; - she can’t be, but she can go to jail till she issues them or resigns. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1329 "2015-09-23T00:08:20Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Issuing valid licenses. > > Because it’s her job. But she has a religious objection to it, and does’;t want to resign, then want. Do you make any accommodation to prevent someone from being forced to act in a way confer to their religious convictions? I think she should resign, but barring that what can be done? What _should_ be done? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1330 "2015-09-23T00:09:20Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Like if someone at the DMV doesn’t think women should be able to drive? You seem to think I agree with her stance. I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1331 "2015-09-23T00:09:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Are you of the mind that the state can and/or should force someone to act in a way that is counter to her religious convictions. If so, how should they go about it? It really does seem simple to me. If she finds herself unable to do her job, then she should step down and stop taking money for refusing to do her job. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1332 "2015-09-23T00:11:31Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Are you of the mind that the state can and/or should force someone to act in a way that is counter to her religious convictions. If so, how should they go about it? I’m not **Czarcasm** but my answers would be: - yes in some circumstances. I don’t think your religion automatically trumps other people’s rights, so if you are in a position to inappropriately affect other people’s rights, and are compelled by your religion to do so, and can’t be removed from your position, then the state may have to force you. That isn’t necessarily the position here, but in principle that’s what I think - by leaving her in jail till she resigns or does her job. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1333 "2015-09-23T00:12:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But she has a religious objection to it, and does’;t want to resign, then want. Do you make any accommodation to prevent someone from being forced to act in a way confer to their religious convictions? I think she should resign, but barring that what can be done? What _should_ be done? The law already has a way for her to be accommodated; she says it’s not good enough. The law must win; we are a nation of laws, not a nation of religions. By the way, since you claim that you don’t share her viewpoint, what do you think should be done? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1334 "2015-09-23T00:12:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You seem to think I agree with her stance. I don’t. I don’t recall saying that, I’m just pointing out another religious objection that is a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1335 "2015-09-23T00:14:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But she has a religious objection to it, and does’;t want to resign, then want. Do you make any accommodation to prevent someone from being forced to act in a way confer to their religious convictions? I think she should resign, but barring that what can be done? What _should_ be done? As above. As for accommodation, if I were in charge I would probably see the time for being nice to this woman as well past. However, if she had been more responsible in the first place and I was in charge I would have found her another job where her religion didn’t get in the way of her duty. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1336 "2015-09-23T00:14:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Ddamn, I forgot just how stupid you are. > > She should do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the law requires. Capitulation would be agreeing to do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the law requires. If she doesn’t want to do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the requires she should resign. We agree so far. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If she is unwilling to resign and unwilling to do her job, the one she took an oath to do, as the law requires she should be jailed until she either agrees to do her job (the one she took an oath to do) as the law requires or until she is removed from office according to the laws of the state of Kentucky. So, if the only way to really solve the problem is her being removed from office, then why jail her? More important, if it is not going to accomplish anything, do you really want to lock someone up for following her religious convictions? > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Holy fuck, **magellan01** , you are stupid as hell. Yet, not nearly as stupid as you. So I have that small consolation going for me. Glad we could straighten that out. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1337 "2015-09-23T00:15:42Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > It really does seem simple to me. If she finds herself unable to do her job, then she should step down and stop taking money for refusing to do her job. I agree 100%. ---
**Author:** ![AHarris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@AHarris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHarris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1338 "2015-09-23T00:17:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, if the only way to really solve the problem is her being removed from office, then why jail her? More important, if it is not going to accomplish anything, do you really want to lock someone up for following her religious convictions? She was jailed because the courts can’t remove her from office. The only remedy the courts had was to find her in contempt and levy fines or put her in jail. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1339 "2015-09-23T00:17:37Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I’m not **Czarcasm** but my answers would be: > > - yes in some circumstances. I don’t think your religion automatically trumps other people’s rights, so if you are in a position to inappropriately affect other people’s rights, and are compelled by your religion to do so, and can’t be removed from your position, then the state may have to force you. That isn’t necessarily the position here, but in principle that’s what I think > > - by leaving her in jail till she resigns or does her job. As I stated earlier in the thread, I’d be all for her being removed from the office. IANAL, but I would think that the Governor would have some special poster he could use. But barring that, she seems to be in a protected spot. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1340 "2015-09-23T00:19:19Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > As above. As for accommodation, if I were in charge I would probably see the time for being nice to this woman as well past. However, if she had been more responsible in the first place and I was in charge I would have found her another job where her religion didn’t get in the way of her duty. I agreed with this, too. I think the only place I disagree with most people here is jailing someone for insisting that they act in accordance with her religious views. (By the way, I am not religious.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=68)