# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![vd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@vd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vd)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1481 "2015-09-30T13:35:05Z")
> [@](#): > > The meeting “sends a worldwide message that the pope stands on the side of religious freedom,” Staver said. > [@](#): > > “We do not confirm nor deny the story. There will be no statement,” according to Ciro Benedettini, a Vatican spokesman. Yes, that’s a very strong show of support. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1482 "2015-09-30T13:37:14Z")
Eh, it’s not a denial either. I’m going with true. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1483 "2015-09-30T13:39:52Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Is it possible some anti-gay pro-Kim Davis bishop (or whatever) got her there, plunked her down along with a whole line of other special guests, and the pope blessed and prayed with them all, without actually knowing who the heck she was? > > It could have been a group of people that Francis’ American team thought were living good, Christian lives, and the pope thanked _them all_ for their courage, and asked _them all_ to stay strong. This would be my guess - but to a person like Davis, it will always be ‘all about her’ ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1484 "2015-09-30T13:45:42Z")
Welp. Nice try Mr Pope. You almost had me liking you, but support for Kim Davis - who is not standing for religious liberty, but for discrimination and hate - reminded me just who you were again. ETA: Seriously, he met with her? He met with this woman? There are about a gazillion Catholic supporters who love the Pope and he met this crazy lady? Disappoint. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1485 "2015-09-30T13:47:40Z")
I highly doubt the Pope knows anything about Davis. He probably just heard that there is some woman from Tennessee who is holding to her Christian values in the face of political pressure and said, “okay, sure.” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1486 "2015-09-30T13:55:04Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Welp. Nice try Mr Pope. You almost had me liking you, but support for Kim Davis - who is not standing for religious liberty, but for discrimination and hate - reminded me just who you were again. > > ETA: Seriously, he met with her? He met with this woman? There are about a gazillion Catholic supporters who love the Pope and he met this crazy lady? Disappoint. I’ve been trying to warn progressives off this pope’s PR campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1487 "2015-09-30T14:03:09Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > This pings my bullshit meter on so many levels. If it actually turns out to have happened, I’m going to be more surprised than I have been in a long, long time. Confirmed by [Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=1). How do you like your hat prepared? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1488 "2015-09-30T14:05:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I highly doubt the Pope knows anything about Davis. He probably just heard that there is some woman from Tennessee who is holding to her Christian values in the face of political pressure and said, “okay, sure.” Then he should probably appoint one of his cardinals to the office of Checking This Shit Out First. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1489 "2015-09-30T14:13:14Z")
I think the problem is that his cardinals are likely far less gay-friendly than he is. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1490 "2015-09-30T14:16:35Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I highly doubt the Pope knows anything about Davis. He probably just heard that there is some woman from Tennessee who is holding to her Christian values in the face of political pressure and said, “okay, sure.” Whoa. Hey hey hey! She’s from _Kentucky_. Don’t drag is Tennesseans into it, (although we do have a judge refusing to perform straight divorces because of gay marriage). ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1491 "2015-09-30T14:24:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think the problem is that his cardinals are likely far less gay-friendly than he is. I don’t really see that as excusing him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1492 "2015-09-30T14:30:28Z")
I don’t see why the Vatican would be refusing to comment if they had intended the meeting to be a show of support. I’m guessing there was some degree of hornswoggling on Team Davis’ part. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1493 "2015-09-30T14:51:10Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t really see that as excusing him. _shrug_ I’m not trying to. I’m just saying I doubt he had any personal involvement in the decision to meet with her. He can’t vet everything personally. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1494 "2015-09-30T14:55:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The AP has a brief story up about the alleged meeting with Mrs. Davis; the story features this bit of information:[ > > > [@](#): > > > > Pope Francis did not focus on the divisive debate over same-sex marriage during his visit last week. As he left the country, he told reporters who inquired that he did not know Davis’ case in detail, but he defended conscientious objection as a human right. > > > > “It is a right. And if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right,” Francis said. > > ]([http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ba1e3e4e12184dd3a5c924c5499a4c06/clerk-who-rejected-licenses-gays-says-she-met-pope](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ba1e3e4e12184dd3a5c924c5499a4c06/clerk-who-rejected-licenses-gays-says-she-met-pope))(bolding mine) As I understand it, conscientious objection means you shouldn’t be forced to fight a war if your sincere belief is that fighting a war is wrong. I also believe that no one should be forced to be a county clerk if they have a conscientious objection to doing the job. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1495 "2015-09-30T15:00:23Z")
Kim Davis thought her request for support had been answered by a note reading “POPE: YES” but it turns out it was just a napkin from Popeyes. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1496 "2015-09-30T15:01:20Z")
> [@simster](#): > > She met with [this guy](https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTpWWkTsHLiVtL87qGx3WKidrZaY8_9JCEA_dJi-xrMzQx0TrnVJSdrbol) No, I know she didn’t meet with him… I know because I’m a Pope in his People’s Catholic Church. I still have the certificate he sent me, although it no longer hangs on the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1497 "2015-09-30T15:02:52Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Confirmed by [Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=1). > > How do you like your hat prepared? 😉 Sorry, but I’m going to need more than this: > [@](#): > > On Wednesday, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, confirmed the meeting, but he declined to elaborate. “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1498 "2015-09-30T15:10:02Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Is it possible some anti-gay pro-Kim Davis bishop (or whatever) got her there, plunked her down along with a whole line of other special guests, and the pope blessed and prayed with them all, without actually knowing who the heck she was? > > It could have been a group of people that Francis’ American team thought were living good, Christian lives, and the pope thanked _them all_ for their courage, and asked _them all_ to stay strong. I tend to agree. If she actually came within sight of the Pope, something like you described is the most probably way it happened. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1499 "2015-09-30T15:11:50Z")
latest sound bite from Kim - [QUOTE=[http://www.lex18.com/story/30149413/clerk-jailed-over-gay-marriage-says-pope-encouraged-her](http://www.lex18.com/story/30149413/clerk-jailed-over-gay-marriage-says-pope-encouraged-her)] In the ABC interview, which aired Wednesday morning, Davis said knowing the pope agreed with her validates her efforts. [/QUOTE] Would love to have an actual video of the meeting/conversation so we could a) see just how disconnected Kim is b) understand what the Pope really said. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1500 "2015-09-30T15:18:53Z")
Does the Pope do any meet and greet type things that basically anybody can get into? Meeting the Pope doesn’t seem far fetched, but having the Pope call you and sneak you in to a private meeting is a little too much. The Vatican refusing to deny it just sounds to me like “Never heard of her but the Pope shook thousands of hands of people he didn’t know so we can’t say no.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=76)