# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1521 "2015-09-30T16:27:36Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add,” he said. > > That’s a confirmation. No, it’s not. A confirmation would be an affirmative. A refusal to deny is not an affirmative. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1522 "2015-09-30T16:27:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Refusal to deny != confirmation. In that context, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1523 "2015-09-30T16:30:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > In that context, it is. There has been no confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1524 "2015-09-30T16:30:52Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > In that context, it is. Is a plea of “No Contest” the same thing as a plea of “guilty”? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1525 "2015-09-30T16:31:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Is a plea of “No Contest” the same thing as a plea of “guilty”? The spokesman in this case was not on trial. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1526 "2015-09-30T16:31:55Z")
Why would Davis want to meet with, never mind being “inspired by”, some who evangelicals/fundamentalists considered to be a fraud, liar, unholy, etc. ? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1527 "2015-09-30T16:32:41Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The spokesman in this case was not on trial. I’ll take that as a “No”, then. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1528 "2015-09-30T16:34:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ll take that as a “No”, then. I do not deny it. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1529 "2015-09-30T16:36:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Why would Davis want to meet with, never mind being “inspired by”, some who evangelicals/fundamentalists considered to be a fraud, liar, unholy, etc. ? Because she’s a nut case, so much so that even other Kentuckians notice. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1530 "2015-09-30T16:36:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I do not deny it. Thanks for offering an example that confirms that a refusal to deny is not an affirmative. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1531 "2015-09-30T16:37:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thanks for offering an example that confirms that a refusal to deny is not an affirmative. Yet that is how you took it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1532 "2015-09-30T16:40:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > There has been no confirmation. Yeah - there has been - [QUOTE=[Vatican Confirms: ‘Yes,’ Pope Francis Met With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kim-davis-pope-secret-meeting)] After doubts were raised about a claim from Kim Davis’ legal team that Pope Francis and the Kentucky clerk met secretly during his visit to the U.S., the Vatican confirmed to The New York Times the meeting did indeed happen. Rev. Federico Lombardi, a Vatican spokesman, told the Times: “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add." [/QUOTE] While i dislike the wording “I do not deny…” - that is an affirmative response in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1533 "2015-09-30T16:42:24Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Yeah - there has been - > > While i dislike the wording “I do not deny…” - that is an affirmative response in this case. Is not. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1534 "2015-09-30T16:43:09Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I guess you’re relying on the non equivalence between affirming and not denying. Given the context, ‘I don’t debt’ is a confirmation. What would be needed for your reading is ‘I neither confirm nor deny.’ There really is no context. Was this during a rapid fire Q & A session where they asked “do you deny the reports…?” and the guy, never having heard of Davis said “Uhhh… no I won’t deny it.” Did he mispeak and forget the “or confirm” part? Or did he say he wouldn’t deny it in a way that said “Yes, we don’t deny it, it totally happened.” I may be nitpicking, but I really don’t care if she met the Pope or not (except for the fact that she’ll be fucking insufferable now). It just seems like an odd story and “we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t deny” isn’t quite solid enough for me. The media is acting like it’s the latter, and maybe so, but I’ve been close to enough media stories to know that if it hinges on a subtlety, be wary. ETA: before someone calls me on it, of course I know his exact quote, the above is just examples about _how_ he might have said it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1535 "2015-09-30T16:43:38Z")
Who cares anyway. I had a “private meeting with the pope” before I left for work this morning, if you know what I mean… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1536 "2015-09-30T16:46:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yet that is how you took it. As a statement that is not an affirmative? Yes, that is how I took your statement; that’s why it is an example that confirms that a refusal to deny is not an affirmative statement. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1537 "2015-09-30T16:46:33Z")
“I do not deny” is how I’d handle the claims of a scary crazy person. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1538 "2015-09-30T16:46:59Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > There really is no context. Was this during a rapid fire Q & A session where they asked “do you deny the reports…?” and the guy, never having heard of Davis said “Uhhh… no I won’t deny it.” Did he mispeak and forget the “or confirm” part? Or did he say he wouldn’t deny it in a way that said “Yes, we don’t deny it, it totally happened.” > > I may be nitpicking, but I really don’t care if she met the Pope or not (except for the fact that she’ll be fucking insufferable now). It just seems like an odd story and “we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t confirm or deny, we don’t deny” isn’t quite solid enough for me. > > The media is acting like it’s the latter, and maybe so, but I’ve been close to enough media stories to know that if it hinges on a subtlety, be wary. Like you - it makes no difference to me or our system that she met with the pope - she could have met with God ro Jesus directly and I still wouldn’t give a crap. That being said - the context to me is clear - that the person answering the question is confirming the visit took place and that is it - “do not deny” in this case is being used as an affirmation - it wasnt a ‘secret’ meeting that he wound “neither confirm or deny” or anything else - he also likely doesnt have any other details than “yeah, they met”. he’s also likely tired of the question and extra attention this particular meeting is bringing- Davis is acting like this was more than a handshake, the Pope’s team is like “yeah, this is user 1005 today, got any more love beads in the back?” “you meet one Ky county clerk, you’d think the apocolypse has started” ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1539 "2015-09-30T16:52:12Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Like you - it makes no difference to me or our system that she met with the pope - she could have met with God ro Jesus directly and I still wouldn’t give a crap. > > That being said - the context to me is clear - that the person answering the question is confirming the visit took place and that is it - “do not deny” in this case is being used as an affirmation - it wasnt a ‘secret’ meeting that he wound “neither confirm or deny” or anything else - he also likely doesnt have any other details than “yeah, they met”. Kentucky clerk Kim Davis met privately with Pope Francis, Vatican confirms - [WAPO](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/30/the-murky-details-of-kim-daviss-alleged-secret-meeting-with-pope-francis/) Vatican confirms pope met with Kim Davis -[USA Today](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/30/vatican-quiet-claim-pope-met-kim-davis/73078774/) The Vatican confirmed that the pope met with Ms. Davis - [NYT](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html) But **Snowboarder Bo** says no. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1540 "2015-09-30T16:54:40Z")
None of those articles quote a source which “confirms” that the Pope met Davis. Your sudden deference to the mainstream media’s interpretation of events, however, is noted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=78)