# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1561 "2015-10-01T15:38:18Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > For the Pope to support her truly puts paid to all of the nonsense lies about his liberalism or progressivism. The only person making an assertion that the Pope “supported” Kim Davis is Kim Davis. Not that the Pope has ever claimed to be in support of SSM in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1562 "2015-10-01T15:59:01Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Also… the Pope is liberal or progressive? I mean I like the Pope and all, but, you know… he’s still an orthodox Catholic. He’s probably got more progressive ideals than most popes, but he’s still more conservative than not on his pet issue of religion. I still like him though, I don’t have to agree with everything he does to understand that he’s one of the more liberal popes by pope standards we’ve had in a while. So if he met Davis, oh well, it sucks but he still calls for focusing on the poor, helping refugees, and climate change. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1563 "2015-10-01T16:05:01Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > So if he met Davis, oh well, it sucks but he still calls for focusing on the poor, helping refugees, and climate change. I think it is significant that the Pope felt it was prudent to meet her in secret. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1564 "2015-10-01T16:09:10Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > He’s probably got more progressive ideals than most popes, but he’s still more conservative than not on his pet issue of religion. I still like him though, I don’t have to agree with everything he does to understand that he’s one of the more liberal popes by pope standards we’ve had in a while. So if he met Davis, oh well, it sucks but he still calls for focusing on the poor, helping refugees, and climate change. Admiral Donitz was one of the more progressive Nazis, by Nazi standards. And oddly enough, I still don’t like him. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1565 "2015-10-01T16:10:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I think it is significant that the Pope felt it was prudent to meet her in secret. The only person claiming that the Pope felt it prudent to meet Kim Davis in secret is Kim Davis. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1566 "2015-10-01T16:18:35Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Admiral Donitz was one of the more progressive Nazis, by Nazi standards. And oddly enough, I still don’t like him. 😛 Can you still give him [one quick “Heil Donitz” ?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pje5ROe5Y_w) Please ? Just the one ? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1567 "2015-10-01T18:08:39Z")
What does Ms Davis’s church teach about _rosaries_–one of which the Pope reportedly gave her. Explication of Galations 5:19-21 from [a church that appears to be of her denomination](https://apostoliconenesspentecostals.wordpress.com/page/2/). > [@](#): > > _Idolatry_ > > The root word is idol. This would include an idol or image. Things like the little Buddha statues, virgin mary statues, crosses that you bow to, rosary beads, pictures of Jesus, pictures of “dead saints”. Lets go deeper and see what the word says about idols. Deuteronomy 7:25 “The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.” Your bible says idols (images of gods) need to be burned with fire. Then God says to NOT desire the very jewelry on the idols. He said NOT to even take the jewelry from them because you will be ensnared by it if you do. Then he said this is an abomination (the idol and the jewelry that it wears). Judge for yourself if you should wear earrings, cross necklaces, and rings on your finger. I know there are jewelry wearers that read this blog, I need you to really settle within yourself and see according to scripture if it is befitting for a Christian to wear jewelry. If you reason from the scriptures I believe God will reveal the answer to you. I am not GOD and cannot judge you for the ornaments you might wear, but I can point you in the right direction that will be pleasing to the Lord according to scripture so that you can determine for yourself the actions you should take. It appears her church is against _any_ form of jewelry, because of its association with the _really evil_ stuff–like rosaries. Will she burn her souvenir? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1568 "2015-10-01T18:10:34Z")
She gave them to her parents, who are Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1569 "2015-10-01T18:47:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > She gave them to her parents, who are Catholic. …and therefore going to Hell anyway. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1570 "2015-10-01T18:54:42Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > She gave them to her parents, who are Catholic. "I can take no part in ongoing sin - " see - that is hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1571 "2015-10-01T21:52:09Z")
As someone on Facebook said, the Pop also met with Mark Wahlberg - that doesn’t mean he liked _Ted_. I doubt the Pope or his handlers really knew much about who Davis was or what she represents. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1572 "2015-10-02T03:13:54Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I don’t think I’ve seen or read _anything anywhere_ about Kim Davis herself making any statement about meeting the Pope, except for the things her lawyer Mat Staver says she said. Everything about her alleged meeting is coming from Staver, plus a few lame non-denials from Church people. BBC News has run footage of her personally detailing her meeting with the Pope. She looks annoyingly smug. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1573 "2015-10-02T11:39:48Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > As someone on Facebook said, the Pop also met with Mark Wahlberg - that doesn’t mean he liked _Ted_. “In Vincente Chase I see much of my own life,” the Pontiff told Wahlberg, “and the antics of Turtle always fill my heart with joy.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1574 "2015-10-02T11:40:29Z")
[Well I’ll be damned. But: > [@](#): > > On Friday, Lombardi met with Francis and issued a fuller statement to “contribute to an objective understanding of what transpired.” > > He declined to say who invited Davis into the nunciature or what the pope knew of the case ahead of time. Such encounters are arranged by the Vatican ambassador and his staff, not the pope’s delegation or the U.S. bishops’ conference. > > An assistant to Lombardi, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, said he believed the pope was unaware of Davis or the implications of the meeting. > > “I don’t think it’s a matter of being tricked as of being fully aware of the situation and its complexities,” he said. “I don’t think anyone was willfully trying to trick the pope, and at the same time nor was the pope briefed properly on who was he meeting. He wasn’t properly briefed on the person or the impact of such a visit.” ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU\_REL\_VATICAN\_RELIGIOUS\_FREEDOM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-02-06-49-00](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_VATICAN_RELIGIOUS_FREEDOM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-02-06-49-00))So, yeah, like I thought: pretty much a case of fraud… they “used” the Pope. The Pope got played for a sucker. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1575 "2015-10-02T11:43:01Z")
The Vatican is now [downplaying](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pope-did-not-give-unconditional-support-to-clerk-in-gay-marriage-row-vatican/ar-AAf1P79?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp) the meeting. > [@](#): > > Looking to limit controversy after last week’s meeting in Washington between the pope and Kim Davis, Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said she was one of “several dozen” people who had been invited by the Vatican ambassador to see Francis. > > … > > He added that Davis had been in a line of people the pope had met at the Vatican embassy in Washington before he left for New York. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1576 "2015-10-02T11:58:34Z")
Is it a shock that Mrs. Davis and her lawyer are liars (again)? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1577 "2015-10-02T12:01:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Is it a shock that Mrs. Davis and her lawyer are liars (again)? :dubious: The bible is very, extremely clear that homosexuality is a sin but never touches on lying. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1578 "2015-10-02T12:11:52Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > The bible is very, extremely clear that homosexuality is a sin but never touches on lying. “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Or, you know, maybe not.” ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1579 "2015-10-02T12:17:10Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The Vatican is now [downplaying](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pope-did-not-give-unconditional-support-to-clerk-in-gay-marriage-row-vatican/ar-AAf1P79?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp) the meeting. Full quote here: [Vatican Details Pope's Meeting With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/02/445236066/vatican-details-pope-s-meeting-with-kentucky-clerk-kim-davis) \*"The brief meeting between Mrs. Kim Davis and Pope Francis at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, DC has continued to provoke comments and discussion. In order to contribute to an objective understanding of what transpired I am able to clarify the following points: "Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City. Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family. “The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.”\* So she was just a part of the crowd. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1580 "2015-10-02T12:41:53Z")
On Friday, Ms. Davis thru her legal team will file a lawsuit against the pope and the vatican for defamation. “They made us look bad - they totally said they supported us and stuff, that I had to stay strong” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=80)