# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1581 "2015-10-02T12:57:56Z")
OTOH, WTF were they thinking at the Nunciature? Got the feeling someone’s getting transferred to Bissau for this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1582 "2015-10-02T13:33:01Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > OTOH, WTF were they thinking at the Nunciature? Got the feeling someone’s getting transferred to Bissau for this mess. Aye, I doubt the Vatican will let this slide… I’m pretty sure that using the Pope as a pawn in US politics is gonna be frowned upon. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1583 "2015-10-02T13:46:17Z")
Just as Kim Davis is in her own special bobble world, so is the Pope’s team. I wouldn’t hesitate to say that Kim understands America more than they do, though I hope to Og I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1584 "2015-10-02T14:19:50Z")
[Called it back in 1479.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18729632&postcount=1479) The meeting wasn’t anything more than a receiving line blessing for a bunch of people on the pope’s way out of town. What I can’t figure out is what this woman cares about what this old idol worshiping, pagan representative of the Great Whore has to say about her and her situation. Don’t her types normally think the Catholic Church is of the devil? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1585 "2015-10-02T14:40:54Z")
Hmm - who ya gonna believe ??? from - [http://www.lex18.com/story/30169892/vatican-popes-visit-with-davis-not-a-form-of-support](http://www.lex18.com/story/30169892/vatican-popes-visit-with-davis-not-a-form-of-support) - and Staver’s response - > [@](#): > > However, Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, told The Associated Press that the Vatican initiated the meeting as an affirmation of her right to be conscientious objector. > > “We wouldn’t expect the pope to weigh in on the particulars of any case,” Staver said Friday. > > He said Vatican personnel initiated the meeting on Sept. 14, the day she returned to work, saying the pope wanted to meet her. He said Vatican security picked up her and her husband from their hotel and told her to change her hairdo so she wouldn’t be recognized since the Vatican wanted the meeting kept secret. > > Staver disputed a Vatican spokesman’s claims that the pope only met Davis in a receiving line. He said the couple was in a separate room with Francis and Vatican personnel. and the vatican’s response - > [@](#): > > An assistant to Lombardi, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, said he believed the pope would have been given a list of names of the several dozen people who were invited to the embassy to bid farewell as he left Washington, but was unaware of the details of her case or any possible implications of the meeting. > > “I don’t think he knew the details, the full biographies of each person, except for the names of the people there,” Rosica said. > > “I don’t think it’s a matter of being tricked as of being fully aware of the situation and its complexities,” he said. “I don’t think anyone was willfully trying to trick the pope, and at the same time nor was the pope briefed properly on who was he meeting. He wasn’t properly briefed on the person or the impact of such a visit.” > > He said Davis’ supporters had “overblown” the encounter. “It could be distorted or manipulated. It could be exaggerated.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1586 "2015-10-02T14:48:29Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Hmm - who ya gonna believe ??? > > from - [http://www.lex18.com/story/30169892/vatican-popes-visit-with-davis-not-a-form-of-support](http://www.lex18.com/story/30169892/vatican-popes-visit-with-davis-not-a-form-of-support) - If she’s going to compromise her religious beliefs and change her hairstyle, then she can damn well hand out SS marriage licenses. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1587 "2015-10-02T14:52:24Z")
Do you think it ever crosses her mind, or the minds of her followers, that she appears to be getting legal advice from someone who keeps getting caught lying? I mean, he is bearing false witness, right? Is it just one particular sin she can’t “participate” in, the rest are ok? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1588 "2015-10-02T14:55:14Z")
Curse this whole thing. It’s actually made me sorry for the true Catholics who really adore the Pope and worship his little Pope-y shoes and it’s this harridan of a woman who got to meet him, whether it was in a group or not. I can’t imagine how cheated all of the other Catholics must feel - she gets to meet him, by being nothing more than a big fat lying jerk, who doesn’t even submit to the Pope’s authority, and they don’t meet him, nowhere, nohow. Considering how badly Philly did, most of them couldn’t even get to where they could see him from a distance. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1589 "2015-10-02T14:58:44Z")
Bwaaahaahahaahah. “Asked her to change her hairdo so she wouldn’t be recognized”. Right :rolleyes: the vatican asked her to come in disguise and that’s why nobody noticed her. Uh huh. Are we sure that Mat Staver is not actually Jon Lovitz? - “Yeah, that’s the ticket”. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1590 "2015-10-02T15:00:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If she’s going to compromise her religious beliefs and change her hairstyle, then she can damn well hand out SS marriage licenses. At this point she’s just preparing for her new gig as conservative millionaire talking head/author/superhero. By tying herself with P.Franics, she’s widening her base. Plus, she’s working on a few camera-ready 'do’s. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1591 "2015-10-02T15:03:00Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bwaaahaahahaahah. “Asked her to change her hairdo so she wouldn’t be recognized”. Right :rolleyes: the vatican asked her to come in disguise and that’s why nobody noticed her. It’s a brilliant move, though - they can show a photo of the Pope meeting with literally anyone and claim that it’s Kim Davis in disguise! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1592 "2015-10-02T15:04:53Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Do you think it ever crosses her mind, or the minds of her followers, that she appears to be getting legal advice from someone who keeps getting caught lying? I mean, he is bearing false witness, right? Is it just one particular sin she can’t “participate” in, the rest are ok? even worse - (he is a lawyer, so ‘spin’ is his game)- is that none of his arguments are having any affect - they are tossed on the merits before they even can get to ‘trial’. He’s worse than that public defender on CSI - you know, the one that actually helps you confess. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1593 "2015-10-02T15:08:18Z")
I have a feeling that the Vatican Embassy staff is in for a very long and uncomfortable weekend after this. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1594 "2015-10-02T15:15:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Staver disputed a Vatican spokesman’s claims that the pope only met Davis in a receiving line. He said the couple was in a separate room with Francis and Vatican personnel. Brilliant. Lets call the spokesman for the Pope a liar. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1595 "2015-10-02T15:35:24Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I have a feeling that the Vatican Embassy staff is in for a very long and uncomfortable weekend after this. Well, they are wishing it had been “kept secret” - that’s for sure. So - since Staver was not present - he has _no_ real details other than what Ms. Davis tells him. “we’ll have a car pick you up” == “THey sent a car to escort us” “Lets change that hairstyle to not attract attention” == would you please comb that mess? you are meeting the Pope afterall… “They were in a room with teh Pope and vatican staff” == “they were in a room with the Pope and vatican staff and about 50 other people” “kept secret” – really means this is supposed to be a private moment between you and the pope - not something to publicize. In Ms. Davis case - they likely wanted to avoid a press onslaught as well (for the person that actually invited her, he knew more about her than anyone overall) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1596 "2015-10-02T16:36:49Z")
A secret assignation with the pope. Keep an eye on her in nine months, for she already has a track record for adultery. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1597 "2015-10-02T17:00:32Z")
Eh. I’d fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1598 "2015-10-02T17:03:58Z")
This is great - [CNN Exclusive: Pope held private meeting with same-sex couple in U.S.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html) > [@](#): > > The day before Pope Francis met anti-gay county clerk Kim Davis in Washington last week, he held a private meeting with a longtime friend from Argentina who has been in a same-sex relationship for 19 years. > > In an exclusive interview with CNN, Grassi declined to disclose details about the short visit, but said it was arranged personally by the Pope via email in the weeks ahead of Francis’ highly anticipated visit to the United States. > > In a statement on Friday, the Vatican said that the meeting with Davis was not intended as a show of support for her cause and said “the only real audience granted by the Pope at the nunciature (embassy) was with one of his former students and his family.” > > “That was me,” Grassi said. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1599 "2015-10-02T17:23:17Z")
> [@simster](#): > > So - since Staver was not present - he has _no_ real details other than what Ms. Davis tells him. And what he makes up. I think a lot of this saga is due to him or groups he’s affiliated with. He works for the Liberty Counsel. She was in Washington for the Values Voter Summit, put on by the Family Research Council. Without even looking them up, we should all know when we see names like these that appear so wholesomely and red, white and blue American, that they’re really thinly veiled right wing hate groups. I would like to be a fly on the wall and see how much of this is orchestrated by them. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1600 "2015-10-02T18:06:52Z")
Gosh, next you’ll tell me that the Pope really didn’t tell her she had the right to refuse to do her job. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=81)