# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1661 "2017-07-21T16:26:41Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > So the taxpayers will pay the legal fees of a state employee who refused to do her job. According to that article, yep. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1662 "2017-07-21T16:29:49Z")
It’s Kentucky, the state that elected Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul. Fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1663 "2017-07-21T16:34:58Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > According to that article, yep. It won’t ever happen, but wouldn’t it be fun to watch Kentucky have a state wide taxpayer revolt? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1664 "2017-07-21T16:38:21Z")
Aren’t they too busy in all the new coal-mining jobs that have been created since January 20th? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1665 "2017-07-21T16:47:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Aren’t they too busy in all the new coal-mining jobs that have been created since January 20th? and working on all those farms Trump gave back to them, or those Carrier jobs that didn’t just go to Mexico 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1666 "2017-07-21T19:02:03Z")
Maybe they’ll just make Tennessee pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![missred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/missred/32/14096_2.png) [@missred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missred)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1667 "2017-07-22T16:58:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Maybe they’ll just make Tennessee pay for it. ¡No pagaremos por una pared! (We will not pay for a wall!) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1668 "2017-07-22T17:19:52Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s Kentucky, the state that elected Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul. > > Fuck 'em. they can ALL go to hell. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1669 "2017-07-22T18:04:25Z")
What a poor decision by Kentucky. Attorney’s fees generally only get rewarded when the case is essentially frivolous. They are thus supporting frivolous lawsuits. “Go ahead and sue for whatever! We’ll pay you back!” they are announcing. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1670 "2017-07-22T18:19:14Z")
If you put that penalty on Davis, you’re also rolling the dice as to whether it’ll ever get paid. She almost certainly doesn’t have a quarter million to spare, and it’s not a sure bet that she’ll be able to raise that much from her fellow travelers again. Having the state pay it out guarantees that nobody who put hours into resolving this case gets stiffed. Not as viscerally satisfying as putting a shitty little bigot like Davis in the poor house, but probably the fairer way to handle it over all. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1671 "2017-07-22T18:48:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What a poor decision by Kentucky. Attorney’s fees generally only get rewarded when the case is essentially frivolous. They are thus supporting frivolous lawsuits. “Go ahead and sue for whatever! We’ll pay you back!” they are announcing. That’s not at all what is happening, and I find myself wondering what planet you are on. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1672 "2017-07-22T19:11:40Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What a poor decision by Kentucky. Attorney’s fees generally only get rewarded when the case is essentially frivolous. They are thus supporting frivolous lawsuits. “Go ahead and sue for whatever! We’ll pay you back!” they are announcing. BigT, [the reason bad things happen to you is because you’re a dumbass](https://youtu.be/85V1Xewv20k). ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1673 "2017-07-22T19:23:57Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What a poor decision by Kentucky. Attorney’s fees generally only get rewarded when the case is essentially frivolous. They are thus supporting frivolous lawsuits. “Go ahead and sue for whatever! We’ll pay you back!” they are announcing. Dafuq are you talking about? Do you even understand what has happened here? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1674 "2017-07-22T19:52:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What a poor decision by Kentucky. Attorney’s fees generally only get rewarded when the case is essentially frivolous. They are thus supporting frivolous lawsuits. “Go ahead and sue for whatever! We’ll pay you back!” they are announcing. STFU, **BigTurd**! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1675 "2017-07-22T20:15:26Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > So the taxpayers will pay the legal fees of a state employee who refused to do her job. > [@silenus](#): > > It’s Kentucky, the state that elected Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul. > > Fuck 'em. You have a valid point. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1676 "2017-07-22T20:15:40Z")
Yes, I understand what is happening, you goddamned fucking assholes. I just fucking read it. Kim Weber is not only responsible for a judgement, but also attorney’s fees. That she is responsible for attorney’s fees means that her entire fucking lawsuit had no merit from the beginning. That’s why such fees are given. Otherwise fees are not returned. I just found that out from an actual fucking lawyer. Furthermore, a lawsuit that is brought when the lawyers know it has no merit is commonly called a frivolous lawsuit. Kim Weber’s lawsuit is frivolous, because she and her lawyers knew she had no right to do what they did, and decided to roll the dice. But Kentucky has offered to pay this instead of her, which you guys just quoted. Which means that Kentucky is paying so that Kim Weber doesn’t face the actual consequences for her actions. It also sends a signal to other people with similar suits that they can also sue, and, if they fail, Kentucky will pick up the tab. If you want to challenge anything I said, I’m fine with that. But attacking me without even bothering to challenge anything only implies you don’t have any counterargument. You can attack me all you want, but you’d better actually have something to back it up. Well, almost. There are some attacks that are beyond the pale, and one of you chose to use it. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ATTACK SOMEONE FOR THEIR MENTAL ILLNESS. And don’t play coy. That’s what you were doing. You were saying the hardships of my life, which are primarily caused by my mental illness, are caused by stupidity. You were blaming me. This is no different than attacking someone for being gay or being black. I will not tolerate this bigotry, and I don’t give a shit if other people come in and try to argue it’s not bigotry. So the gloves are off with you. I generally hope you get a mental illness. I genuinely hope you have to suffer at least some of what I’ve suffered. I said I would not wish this on my worst enemy, but things have changed. Human garbage like you needs to fucking learn that this is not acceptable. If that means you have to face suffering to do it, then I will gladly rejoice in your suffering. I want to be a Christian. I want to be a nice guy. But not when it means letting evil like you walk about. You have exactly one chance to say you are sorry, and then this is fucking over. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1677 "2017-07-22T20:21:03Z")
Weber…? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1678 "2017-07-22T20:30:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You were saying the hardships of my life, which are primarily caused by my mental illness, are caused by stupidity. You were blaming me. Deep breath, dude. You’re an intelligent guy IRL, but post 1669 came outa left field, didn’t seem to make sense. Just an observation, and a suggestion to maybe really take a deep breath. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1679 "2017-07-22T20:32:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yes, I understand what is happening, you goddamned fucking assholes. I just fucking read it. Kim Weber is not only responsible for a judgement, but also attorney’s fees. That she is responsible for attorney’s fees means that her entire fucking lawsuit had no merit from the beginning. That’s why such fees are given. Otherwise fees are not returned. I just found that out from an actual fucking lawyer. Furthermore, a lawsuit that is brought when the lawyers know it has no merit is commonly called a frivolous lawsuit. Kim Weber’s lawsuit is frivolous, because she and her lawyers knew she had no right to do what they did, and decided to roll the dice. > > But Kentucky has offered to pay this instead of her, which you guys just quoted. Which means that Kentucky is paying so that Kim Weber doesn’t face the actual consequences for her actions. It also sends a signal to other people with similar suits that they can also sue, and, if they fail, Kentucky will pick up the tab. You are wrong by just about every measure here. First, who the fuck is Kim Weber? The Rowan County official’s name is Kim Davis. Second, the judgment does NOT say that Davis is responsible for a judgment, or for attorney fees. Third, it does not say that “Kentucky has offered to pay this instead of her.” The judge explicitly said that the state of Kentucky had to pay the costs. Fourth, nor does this judgment mean that “her entire fucking lawsuit had no merit from the beginning,” because she was NOT the one who brought the fucking lawsuit. The plaintiffs, the people who brought the lawsuit, are the gay couple to whom Davis refused to issue a marriage license, in violation of their civil liberties. They won the suit, and the judge said that, because they prevailed, they deserved to have their legal costs covered. Here’s the [New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/us/kentucky-taxpayers-gay-marriage.html?_r=0) explaining it all quite clearly: > [@](#): > > But the plaintiffs in the case filed a motion for lawyers’ fees shortly thereafter; a magistrate judge later recommended that the court deny the plaintiffs’ motion for such fees. > > But in his order, Judge Bunning rejected the magistrate’s recommendations, finding instead that the couples who had sued Ms. Davis had “prevailed” in the case, which entitled them to lawyers’ fees. He also found that the Commonwealth of Kentucky — not Ms. Davis or Rowan County — must pay them. > > “In this case, the plaintiffs ‘prevailed by every measure of victory,’” Judge Bunning wrote. “Plaintiffs obtained marriage licenses that could not be revoked. And two of the plaintiff-couples married on those licenses. That is enduring relief.” > > “Davis represented the Commonwealth of Kentucky when she refused to issue marriage licenses to legally eligible couples,” Judge Bunning continued. “The buck stops there.” ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/1680 "2017-07-22T20:36:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yes, I understand what is happening, you goddamned fucking assholes. You understand what is happening about as well as a senile gorilla understands a cheese grater. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=85)