I dont’ see much problem. As evidence for the idea that San Fransisco is “Hate America central” you said you saw lots of “Impeach Bush /Free Mumia” stickers. Miller pointed out that he hadn’t seen a single “I hate America” sticker as a way of pointing out that those two stickers DON’T convey the message “I hate America.” Hence the line about your confusion.
The notion that a difference of opinion is equivalent to hating America is not only old and tired when presented as an argument, it also, I think at this point, is old and tired even when presented tongue-in-cheek as a jab at the ignorant fools who beleived it in the first place.
And if you think San Francisco is full of knee-jerk liberals, might I suggest that you never visit Santa Cruz, lest your head explode.
Wait, that was hyperbole? I would normally confess to this being a whoosh…but in your case, you attempted humor with no indication of doing so, and in a thread where it could never have been received well.
So really, I think you should be a bit more explicit and explain what your first 2 or 3 posts are supposed to mean.
Sam
Well, I do have to say that I found his post hilarious. It never occurred to me that it was intentional, though - maybe you and I are just no good at interpreting “hyperbole”, eh? Yeah, that must be it.
I guess, Woody… :shrug:
The only reason it wasn’t funny is because that’s just the kind of reaction I expect from people like Moto.
Sam
Boys, boys, boys…I suggest you read Post 151 over again. But please take a few deep breaths first, as this is very important. Because if you can read that post, starting with the smilie face that I chose to reply to, and not realize that hyperbole was being employed, you guys are way more fucked up than I thought. Notice the dead-pan opening, and the over-the-top close. Sheeze, lighten the fuck up, for your own sakes.
I mean, if you burst a blood vessel in your forehead and wind up in the hospital, who is going to pick up the slack in dragging down America? Not me! As I pointed out, MY plate is full.
Come on guys, Bush is only around for 38 more months. And there is so much more hate to spread.
Free Mumia!!!
Ooops. Almost forgot:
Thanks for the warning. Alas, I’m sad to report, it is a bit late. I spent a day there about 3 years ago and fell quite ill. Fortunately, though, a few months of care at Rancho del Cielo saw to my complete recovery. I have no doubt that if I hadn’t availed myself of the restorative powers of the Rancho, I would be incapcitated until this very day.
So you prefer something fresher? Something like “No war for oil” or “Bush lied, people died.”? Something more like that?
Miller,
I’m afraid there’s been a very innocent mistake made. For some reason, whether due to your fault, mine, both, or the nature of this public forum in general, you’ve some how confused me with someone who gives a shit what you’d prefer.
Whoever it was that told you you were funny did you a great disservice.
You know, for someone who’d like more conservative ideas to flourish in San Francisco, you’re certainly not doing much for your side in the arena of intelligent discourse. Ah well. Every side has their nutbars. We have Michael Moore, yours has you.
You know, I drove right by the USS Iowa every day on my way to work when it was berthed at the Navy base in Newport, Rhode Island. The Iowa was moored adjacent to the USS Forrestal and USS Saratoga (two decommissioned aircraft carriers).
The ship was doing fine in Rhode Island. I pit the waste of the $3 million of taxpayer money it took to tow the ship from Rhode Island through the Panama Canal to California four years ago when they obviously didn’t even have arrangements made to turn it into a museum.
I love it. So, for pointing to the extreme side of the left and pointing out how extreme and ridiculous it can be and often is, I’m equally as extreme to the right. Well, that settles that: your profound powers of logic proves that I am, in fact, the Bizarro-Michael Moore.
Well, you might be on to something, as I do shower daily. Sometimes twice.
Wha?
In a way, sure. Moore blathers on like an idiot while making the entire left look like idiots. You’re doing much the same here. It’s not something to strive for.
It’s also doubly silly since you’re so disappointed that the America-hating liberals run this city, yet you seem to have topped out at making fun of bumper stickers.
Now, would you like to form and post something resembling a point, or are you just going to call Barry Bonds a doodyhead?
Magellan,
I stand by my earlier comment-your head is so far up your ass that you are missing the bigger picture. No matter what end of the political spectrum you’re at, you’re just not funny. Your audience left you long ago.
Sam
In an attempt to put an end to this nonsense, an explanation: I responded to MaxTheVool following a discussion he was having with Mr. Moto that addressed specific issues. At the end of that post I added a commentary on some of the discussion that had occured earlier in the thread. tomndebb commented on what I had said, then added a nice ironic love-SF-or-leave-it parting shot, accompanied by Big Smile Guy. I replied to this last part of his post, includiing the smilie, with a statement that I think would be clearly hyperbolic to anyone with a 9th-grade reading level, unless they were looking for a fight. GaWD admitted as much, stating that the reasons he didn’t find it humorous were due to “no indication of doing so, and in a thread where it could never have been received well.” (smilies, I guess) and “because that’s just the kind of reaction I expect from people like Moto.”
Now this starts a little pile-on, which is all well and good. I mean, I do know that left circles the wagons on this board when their icons are ridiculed (SF), so I am not surprised. But to me the whole thing is SO ridiculous. To read my post and not detect hyperbole is a failure of reading.
So here we are debating exaggerated points made in a hyperbolic post and arguing as to whether it was hyperbolic. :rolleyes:
For the record, I do believe that SF is “Hate America Central”. What I mean by that is that of those people who hate America—and I do believe that there are some people that do—that they are more visible here and more tolerated. To those with a grasp of logic, this does NOT mean the the majority, or even a sizeable number of the people in this very liberal city hate America, only that SF has more than their fair share of them. If you want to argue Sf vs Madison vs Seattle, fine, rank them anyway you want. One of these places qulifies as Hate America Central. Take your pick. I vote SF.
If someone really wants to take issue with what I said, they should look to the post that started it, #146 (not the hyperbolic one). The “hate America” comment seems to be the sticky issue, so I’ll ask two preemptive questions to those it rubs the wrong way. 1) Are there people on the extreme left (not that I mean exclusively) that hate America? If you answer “no”, we can stop right now and be assured we will never see eye-to-eye on this. But I maintain that there are extreme groups—on both sides, I believe—whose actions could be described (particularly by those on the other side of the fence) as working against American interests or against the idea of America. And I do not take issue with either fringe being described as hating America. Is it a charge that could be provewn in a court of law? Of course not. But neither can many of the accusations thrown around from the left on these boards. Just look at some of the descriptions of Bush and his crowd.
That brings us to question 2) Of those that are on the left fringe who “hate America”, is is safe to say that San Francisco has more than their fair share of them? I maintain that to be the case. Obvioulsy that are not evenly distributed across the U.S. And it should come as no surprise that the very liberal areas will have more of them. Just as very converative areas will have more of the other extreme, militias and the like. I live in SF. And I have had more than one discussion with people who are of the opinion that America is evil and should be stopped. That we should do away with all borders and redistribute the wealth to the Third World. Etc.
So given 1 and 2, what is the big deal?
Troy McClure SF, in reviewing your responses I see a desire an attempt to actually have a discussion, and I apologize for not sparing you the snarkiness that the debate had become and sucking you into it.
I think it fair for me to respond in kind to the mentally challenged who ramped up the vitriol. But I also have the responsibility to make sure that I do not smack all that disagree with me with the same broad brush. Hence, this note to you.
I can’t argue with your last post, magellan, although I’d say the far right has the most virulent anti-American sentiment. You don’t get a whole lot of leftists bombing federal buildings, for example, or complaining that the country would have been better if Hitler had beaten us in WWII. But yeah, of the subsection of the left that is genuinely anti-American, there’s probably a disproportionate number of them in the Bay Area. I’d still say that Hate American Central is probably somewhere in Montana, but really, who cares? Both fringes are a minority of a minority of a minority. Linking them with the far more mainstream ideas of being anti-Bush or pro-Mumia, as you did in your first post, made it look like you were saying that those positions were anti-American. Which I’m sure you’d agree is a pretty stupid position. Glad to know you don’t hold it.
What Miller said. Thanks for responding, magellan.
Well, clearly then, most of us in this thread don’t have reading comprehension beyond the 9th grade level. :rolleyes:
Also, I take issue with you assuming I was looking for a fight, and implying that I’ve indicated that anywhere in this thread. I thought your commentary was lame, and I let you know about it. That is all. No fight, no hackles being rasied, not even a blip on my blood pressure.
I also want to mention briefly that I also agree with Miller and Troy, and thanks for the clarification.
Sam
Miller, I was going to agree with you, but I’ve given it some thought, and I’d like to nitpick.
I think that the designations of left and/or right refer to those who hold differing viewpoints, but still work within the framework of democracy to achieve their goals. Once people use violence to bring change, those labels cease to be effective. For example, violence was used in the 1960s and 1970s for political statement by those labelled “far left”. But I don’t know anyone on the left that endorsed their means, or embraced them, irrespective of whether they agreed with their leftist leanings. Similarly, I don’t know anyone on the right who espoused McVeigh’s bombing of a federal building to make his point (whatever it was). Those are the true “Hate Central” - those determined to use violence or fear to bring change. I agree that nowadays those people are more likely to support some of the views of the right, but I don’t think that the reverse can be said; I don’t think that any on the right support their violence.
Unless magellan01 has seen this violence utilized, I think that calling San Francisco “Hate Central” is a gross misstatement. Vocally and vociferously disagreeing with the government, and working to effect change is completely American.
Look at what has happened within the context of this situation; Feinstein tried to get the USS Iowa brought to SF, the Board of Supervisors voted it down, the Navy met with dissenters to have a dialogue and to bring compromise to the table. That’s the democratic system at work, like it or not.
Oh no you don’t, you stupid piece of shit. That clarification was not and is not for you. Ignore my clarification, shithead. And although you are a pussy who likes to hide in a crowd, your placing yourself in any category with honorable posters like Miller and Troy McClure SF is an insult to them. (More on this later.)
For now, let’s recap: your reply to my hyperbolic post was your post #154, in which you indicate your sub-ninth-grade reading level. You also take this opportunity to ratchet up the venom, proving that you don’t get it and are simply weak-minded.
Then in my post #157 I point out the obvious, that I was using hyperbole. You reply with post #163, in which reality seems to be dawning on you. You state:
Next time, if you’re in the thread, I’ll be sure to use lots of little smilies, you dumb fuck.
And then we move on to your post #165, in which you find comfort with what must be the other half of the dumbbell and admit that the problem in the reading was the baggage you brought with you:
So, there you go you hate-filled intolerant asshole. Try taking YOUR head out of your ass. In fact, why don’t take the shorter route and push it up another couple of inches so you can peek out of your mouth and see the screen. Then google a ninth-grade reading comprehension workbook.
You dumb, drive-by, lightweight shithead. If you don’t have anything to add to a thread other than sniping at people who you don’t agree with, just stick to your crayons and coloring books.
And don’t try to seek protection in the company of Miller and Troy McClure SF. It’s an insult to them both. Miller and I have had major disagreements in the past, and still have them, no doubt, but every exchange has been civil, even when heated, and I respect him greatly as a poster. Something I doubt anyone will ever say of you. Troy McClure SF, unlike you, has actually contributed to the thread, and his engaged, unrelenting focus on substance allowed things to get back on track. (Again, which I am grateful to him for.)
If you’ve managed to periscope up the little noggin that holds that bean of a brain of yours, you should be able to see that neither of them seem to have the problem with my post #151. Go ahead, check. Go ahead. Their problems were more substantive and explicitly refer back to my post #146. You were the only one that chose to respond directly to my HYPERBOLE in #151.
You’re nothing but an intolerant drive-by lightweight. But don’t take my word for it, let’s look at your own. After a lengthy, meaty discussion between Mr. Moto and Miller and others, here is your sole “contribution” to what was a very interesting thread:
That’s it. Pathetic isn’t it. Of course, this blatant stupidity was simply ignored, as was your attempt to grab onto tomndebb’s coat tails in your post #150 response to me. So, the only way you were able to get anyone to respond to you in this thread was by NOT being able to read and showing yourself to be the stupid shit that you are. Congratulations.
It is also worth noting that with your first two posts you were two for two. You didn’t agree with Mr. Moto or me, so you suggest that we either stay away from San Jose or that we should leave someplace else. Impressive debating style, shit for brains. Although, in the latter case you were simply parroting the same thing that tomndebb had said in the previous post, sans the poignance.
You personify the worst of what these boards offer: Lightweight thinking (and that is generous), intolerance, weakness that seeks support in numbers, drive-by sniping, lack of original thinking, and just plain old stupidity. Now I know to ignore you completely in the future.
*Since you seem to not grasp the concept, I will state, unequivocally, that none of what I’ve written here is to be construed as hyperbole. You truly are that big of an asshole. And that puny a lightweight.