# Fuck you, Shenandoah! And you too, Confederate Railroad! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793 "2019-07-09T19:09:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/1 "2019-07-09T19:09:43Z")
I’ve heard of the band Shenandoah but Confederate Railroad was new to me. The bolded part of [this brief article on the AP](https://apnews.com/cd3cd3d5ca5e450e86c7f3295fe8b1a8) is what really got my ire going: > [@](#): > > Illinois has canceled a state fair appearance by the Southern rock group Confederate Railroad because of its use of the Confederate flag. > > A spokeswoman for Gov. J.B. Pritzker, Emily Bittner, said Tuesday that the administration prohibits using state resources “to promote symbols of racism.” > > The group was scheduled to play the DuQuoin State Fair Aug. 27. > > The band’s logo features a steam locomotive flying Confederate flags. The flag has been criticized as a racist emblem of slavery and segregation, but supporters say it represents history. > > Frontman Danny Shirley says in a statement that the band is disappointed, but thanked their fans. > > Confederate Railroad was to appear with Shenandoah and Restless Heart. **Shenandoah says it will still play but that “this ‘political correctness’ has to stop. It’s tearing our country apart.”** How about you stop being racist, you fucking piece of shit asshole? Because I ain’t gonna stop hating on racists. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/2 "2019-07-09T19:26:49Z")
I heard they got replaced in the lineup with “Swastika Train Cars” ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/3 "2019-07-09T19:39:55Z")
[They profess a fondness for the musical stylings of Elvis Presley and for the Andy Griffith show](https://youtube.com/watch?v=MpRY1PORlWI), so I am okay with them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/4 "2019-07-09T19:46:09Z")
“The band’s logo features a steam locomotive flying Confederate flags. The flag has been criticized as a racist emblem of slavery and segregation, but supporters say it represents history.” You can say the ISIS flag represents history too. Can I tour with them if I start a band called “Musicaliphate” and my logo has a child soldier with the flag of ISIS in one hand and a bloody guitar in the other? I suspect they’d object slightly to the imagery. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/5 "2019-07-09T20:06:32Z")
It DOES represent history. A shameful history of slavery and oppression. And those who dispute what it stands for need to go back and read what those who were proudly marching under it, claimed it represented, at the time. You’ll find their words almost always amount to ‘Our dominion over Blacks has God’s blessing! What’s next. Defending the swastika as a cultural symbol distinct from it’s Nazi connection? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/6 "2019-07-09T20:36:05Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > What’s next. Defending the swastika as a cultural symbol distinct from it’s Nazi connection? Swastikas had been around for some 2400 years before the Nazis latched on to 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/7 "2019-07-09T20:37:11Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Swastikas had been around for some 2400 years before the Nazis latched on to 'em. NO WAY! Tell us more! ---
**Author:** ![UCBearcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/77aa72/32.png) [@UCBearcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UCBearcats)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/8 "2019-07-09T20:37:24Z")
They could use the Betsy Ross Colonial Flag. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaOmegaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@AlphaOmegaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlphaOmegaMan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/9 "2019-07-09T20:39:01Z")
Now, let’s get Lady Antebellum. Edited typo. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/10 "2019-07-09T20:41:25Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Swastikas had been around for some 2400 years before the Nazis latched on to 'em. Absolutely true. And yet, it doesn’t mean shit today. If somebody has a prominent swastika tattoo I’m going to automatically think “neo nazi scumbag”, not “bodhisattva”. Wouldn’t you ? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/11 "2019-07-09T20:44:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Absolutely true. And yet, it doesn’t mean shit today. If somebody has a prominent swastika tattoo I’m going to automatically think “neo nazi scumbag”, not “bodhisattva”. Wouldn’t you ? By itself? Sure. Alongside stuff like [ducks and concentric circles](https://aleximreh.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/659px-etruscan_pendant_with_swastika_symbols_bolsena_italy_700_bce_to_650_bce.jpg)? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/12 "2019-07-09T20:44:30Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Absolutely true. And yet, it doesn’t mean shit today. If somebody has a prominent swastika tattoo I’m going to automatically think “neo nazi scumbag”, not “bodhisattva”. Wouldn’t you ? Wait, are you saying the Nazis changed what certain symbols and words mean? That’s strange. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaOmegaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@AlphaOmegaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlphaOmegaMan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/13 "2019-07-09T20:46:56Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Wait, are you saying the Nazis changed what certain symbols and words mean? That’s strange. That’s how culture works. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/14 "2019-07-09T20:50:56Z")
Someone should create a new flag that represents southern pride that does not include any confederate symbols- southern pride not as in “we miss slavery”, southern pride as in country vs city, slow vs rushed, barns vs skyscrapers, RC and moonpie vs escargot, etc.- something southerners of all races could get behind. Then if you have the new flag and still use the confederate one, your intentions would be unmistakable. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaOmegaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@AlphaOmegaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlphaOmegaMan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/15 "2019-07-09T20:53:13Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Someone should create a new flag that represents southern pride that does not include any confederate symbols- southern pride not as in “we miss slavery”, southern pride as in country vs city, slow vs rushed, barns vs skyscrapers, RC and moonpie vs escargot, etc.- something southerners of all races could get behind. Then if you have the new flag and still use the confederate one, your intentions would be unmistakable. Southern Pride is racism regardless of the specific symbols. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/16 "2019-07-09T20:56:15Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > It DOES represent history. > > A shameful history of slavery and oppression. And those who dispute what it stands for need to go back and read what those who were proudly marching under it, claimed it represented, at the time. You’ll find their words almost always amount to ‘Our dominion over Blacks has God’s blessing! > > What’s next. Defending the swastika as a cultural symbol distinct from it’s Nazi connection? Crap! My bad! I meant to say ‘German cultural symbol’. As a Buddhist I am fully aware of the other meaning. And in a lot of places in Asia the original, slightly different, design is still used. And it wouldn’t make me raise an eyebrow. But if it was being defended as a German cultural symbol, yeah, that’d be more in line with celebrating the confederate flag. Apologies for the confusion! ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/17 "2019-07-09T21:08:38Z")
> [@AlphaOmegaMan](#): > > Southern Pride is racism regardless of the specific symbols. My post was two sentences long and you couldn’t be bothered to read one- figuring out a way to celebrate pride in southern _culture_, not southern history, is not an idea I just invented. There are southerners of all races who wouldn’t trade 2019 Nashville or Atlanta for 2019 New York City or Los Angeles. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaOmegaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@AlphaOmegaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlphaOmegaMan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/18 "2019-07-09T21:10:06Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Someone should create a new flag that represents southern pride that does not include any confederate symbols- southern pride not as in “we miss slavery”, southern pride as in country vs city, slow vs rushed, barns vs skyscrapers, RC and moonpie vs escargot, etc.- something southerners of all races could get behind. Then if you have the new flag and still use the confederate one, your intentions would be unmistakable. > [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > My post was two sentences long and you couldn’t be bothered to read one- figuring out a way to celebrate pride in southern _culture_, not southern history, is not an idea I just invented. There are southerners of all races who wouldn’t trade 2019 Nashville or Atlanta for 2019 New York City or Los Angeles. Southern Culture is racist. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/19 "2019-07-09T21:18:20Z")
> [@AlphaOmegaMan](#): > > Southern Culture is racist. go read the definition of culture- for example blues music would be considered part of a culture, genius. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaOmegaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@AlphaOmegaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlphaOmegaMan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793/20 "2019-07-09T21:29:58Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > go read the definition of culture- for example blues music would be considered part of a culture, genius. Blues music is racist (and misogynistic). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-shenandoah-and-you-too-confederate-railroad/836793.md?page=2)