# Fuck you, Texas Republicans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2013, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942 "2013-06-26T06:21:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/301 "2013-07-02T18:06:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And according to [this cite](http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2013/06/mystery-of-abortion-bill-passage-date-solved/), no crime was committed by changing the time/date – the official time is when the voting begins, not when it ends. > > Which would make it a Class A misdemeanor stacked up against no crime at all. Well, you’ve posted this article twice before and each time I’ve asked for an actual cite for their contention that the session doesn’t end until the vote finishes. In the Texas Senate rules there seems to be no exception to the rule that a special session lasts no more than 30 days. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/302 "2013-07-02T18:06:48Z")
Wonder what the numbers look like if you exclude women who are post-menopausal. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/303 "2013-07-02T18:07:41Z")
Remarkable how much special pleading they do when it’s themselves or a family member involved, innit? ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/304 "2013-07-02T18:12:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s a gap, yes, but hardly a dramatic one. That stat shows nearly half the female population is likely to call themselves pro-life. THAT is the point. It’s a statistically significant gap reflected by the politics of the male majority… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/305 "2013-07-02T19:01:43Z")
Any word on that question of germaneness? ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/306 "2013-07-02T19:46:47Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > It’s a statistically significant gap reflected by the politics of the male majority… I think the point is that if being pro-life makes you misogynistic how can 46% of women consider themselves pro-life? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/307 "2013-07-02T19:59:48Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I think the point is that if being pro-life makes you misogynistic how can 46% of women consider themselves pro-life? I guess that’s the point, but what does that prove? Is the point that women can’t have misogynistic tendencies? There’s a not-very-well-hidden assumption there. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/308 "2013-07-02T20:00:35Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I think the point is that if being pro-life makes you misogynistic how can 46% of women consider themselves pro-life? It relates to the question of who should have a say so in regulating a woman’s body. If it’s just women , it’s pretty obvious which sentiment carries the day. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/309 "2013-07-02T20:04:51Z")
Since the legislature is mostly male, and they’re not listening to what the majority of their constituents want… It shouldn’t be too hard to connect the rest of the dots. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/310 "2013-07-02T20:45:16Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I guess that’s the point, but what does that prove? > > Is the point that women can’t have misogynistic tendencies? There’s a not-very-well-hidden assumption there. It shows that the argument pro-life=misogynistic is almost certainly bunk. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/311 "2013-07-02T20:53:02Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > It shows that the argument pro-life=misogynistic is almost certainly bunk. How? Repeating myself, not-very-well-hidden assumption: women can’t have misogynistic tendencies as well? My mother thinks all women with families should cook for them every day (and that men don’t belong in the kitchen). Just because you’re a women doesn’t mean you can’t also be misogynistic or sexist. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/312 "2013-07-02T20:59:31Z")
Women can certainly be susceptible to the desire to control other women’s bodies. But, like anti-abortion men whose views become more nuanced when their own daughters get knocked up, they are just as hypocritically capable of carving out exceptions for themselves without even realizing it. Plus, there are many women in church denominations that heavily indoctrinate that view, and they’re just as prone as men to internalize it. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/313 "2013-07-02T21:02:26Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > How? > > Repeating myself, not-very-well-hidden assumption: women can’t have misogynistic tendencies as well? What’s more likely? Almost half of all women are misogynistic or that one can be pro-life without being misogynistic? And if you claim the former wouldn’t you (presumably a man) be acting misogynistic by telling half of all women that they don’t know what’s best for themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/314 "2013-07-02T21:22:52Z")
A better question: if you want to prevent abortions, why use the least effective method to prevent abortions? The number of abortions didn’t go down when Roe vs. Wade came in to play: the number of hideously unsafe abortions did. Providing better education and social services to people in need would help far more in stemming the tide. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/315 "2013-07-02T21:27:11Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > What’s more likely? Almost half of all women are misogynistic or that one can be pro-life without being misogynistic? And if you claim the former wouldn’t you (presumably a man) **be acting misogynistic by telling half of all women that they don’t know what’s best for themselves**? Indeed, that seems to be what the Texas legislature is intent on doing… No choice right? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/316 "2013-07-02T21:33:43Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > What’s more likely? Almost half of all women are misogynistic or that one can be pro-life without being misogynistic? Option 3: that almost half of women can hold a misogynistic opinion on one (or more) issue(s) without being complete woman-hating (hence self-hating) people. Black/white labelling of people as misogynists or not is a false dilemma. Misogyny isn’t binary. It’s not even really a continuum. The fact that I had to spell it out in such detail is troubling. Ah hell, this is the Pit, I guess. It’s dumb. It’s fucking dumb. And you should be ashamed at your obvious lack of ability to figure it out. I’d try harder to insult you, but it doesn’t induce rage in me. Just mild exasperation. > [@Deeg](#): > > And if you claim the former wouldn’t you (presumably a man) be acting misogynistic by telling half of all women that they don’t know what’s best for themselves? I (yes, a man) didn’t claim the former, but even if I did, no. I would be telling them they are free to determine for themselves (presumably in consultation with one or more medical professionals and possibly friends and family or other trusted confidantes) what is best for themselves. If that happens to be choosing not to have an abortion, fine by me. I’m not forcing them to have one. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/317 "2013-07-02T21:43:09Z")
Oh, and that’s really the stupid part here. That the “opposite” side is actually a literal opposite. That disagreeing with these 46% of women (or whatever the number is) means forcing some decision upon them. They are personally no less free to do as they please. They aren’t currently forced to have abortions or even consider them, nor will they ever have to consider them if they don’t want them. I’ll give you (a tiny amount) of credit that you don’t believe this, but there are certainly plenty of people in Texas who believe exactly this, among other inane things, like the abortion industry is a billion dollar one or that abortion doctors in Texas don’t properly sterilize their equipment (yes, people actually believe this shit). And that women are tricked or forced into having abortions. So again, we’re not telling them what’s best for them. We’re telling them they themselves also have no right to make that determination for other people. And again, it’s mind-numbingly stupid that this has to be pointed out again and again. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/318 "2013-07-02T21:49:55Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > What’s more likely? Almost half of all women are misogynistic or that one can be pro-life without being misogynistic? And if you claim the former wouldn’t you (presumably a man) be acting misogynistic by telling half of all women that they don’t know what’s best for themselves? Women who want to prevent other women from having reproductive choice aren’t doing it out of a motive to decide what’s best for _themselves_. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/319 "2013-07-02T22:28:23Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > What’s more likely? Almost half of all women are misogynistic or that one can be pro-life without being misogynistic? And if you claim the former wouldn’t you (presumably a man) be acting misogynistic by telling half of all women that they don’t know what’s best for themselves? Interesting tack you attempted there Deeg. Curious. If someone objected to your usage of kite, coon or whop in a conversation, are you one of those guys that points your finger at them and says," You’re a racist!" ? Pee Wee Herman must be proud… ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942/320 "2013-07-02T22:55:53Z")
> [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > A better question: if you want to prevent abortions, why use the least effective method to prevent abortions? The number of abortions didn’t go down when Roe vs. Wade came in to play: the number of hideously unsafe abortions did. Providing better education and social services to people in need would help far more in stemming the tide. According to some of the arguments I’ve read, if you educate people (especially teenagers!) about sex and birth control, they’ll just turn into promiscuous little degenerates. :rolleyes: Again, there’s a lot of anger directed at women here – a “good girl” shouldn’t have sexual desire, and should be “saving herself” as a gift for her husband. Therefore, she has no need whatsoever for the pill or any other form of birth control. And some of the more extreme positions hold that birth control is the same thing as abortion… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-texas-republicans/661942.md?page=17)