# Fuck you Tony Blair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2004, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105 "2004-11-05T01:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/61 "2004-11-16T10:05:34Z")
So do we get a reply where you state where you’re coming from then? Atlantis? Heaven? Valhalla? Of course its only Britain where the word is spelt ‘arse’. How stupid of us. I’m so grateful that the American nation jumped in when they did and stopped me from growing up being a Nazi and speaking German. Where would we be now eh? Once again, you have a go at people for establishing they’re British, or English in this case. At least reveal where you’re at. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/62 "2004-11-16T11:02:26Z")
> [@Nietzsche](#): > > Go fuck yourself you tea slurping has-been. Limeys like you are the remnants of the most despicable garbage to roam the planet. > To the others I offended, my apologies. If you are going to denigrate people for the land of their birth then at least have the balls to stand up and admit where you come from. I’m guessing that in your case it isn’t the land of the brave. Also please justify your statements rather than just ranting and hurling abuse. Yeah I know this is the pit, but at least try to use your brain, rather than the sewer that passes for your mouth. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/63 "2004-11-16T11:10:37Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > So, no-one could be bothered to guess that the most subsidised industry in the UK, the one that preaches self reliance, Britishness, are the core Tory vote and among the first to wave the flags when working class Britons are sent off to some battlefield to die, are the fucking farming industry. > > Yup, this class of person, especially the landowning rent out farmers are among the first to say that old fashioned metal bashing industries,and manufacturing compnies should compete on the world markets and die by them, are the most protected and pampered bunch of reactionary right wing twats around. > > These are the types of people who are the constant support of the likes of Thatcher, they are the ones who prevent the Tory party modrenising and they are the ones to continue to look at little Britain instead of realising that if industry must compete, the same must also be true of agriculture. > > These are the ones who criticise the ‘townies’ who allegedly ‘don’t understand country ways’ and cheerfully swagger off home in their farm vehicle non-taxed top of the marque Range Rovers. > > . _SIGH_ Class warfare is so eighties old bean. The farming vote is reckoned to command about 2% of the electorate. British farms are actually quite capable of surviving in a free market (as they shoud be allowed to do). The problem with farming is that Europe has turned everyone into a subsidy junkie to protect handkerchief sized French farms. Get rid of the CAP. No one in Britain would notice - there would be a revolution in France. In short - privatise farming Also the people who voted Thatcher in were people like Essex man - not the rural vote. These were people who were fed up of being serfs in their own country and saw a way out of the horrible socialist morass that we had fallen into. National heroes to a man. Statues should be erected. > [@casdave](#): > > I notice that no-one here has yet aknowledged the difficulties faced by British industry and the economy cause by the oil price hikes, nor is there any aklnowledgment of th epoints I made about appalling British industrial managers, just lots of talk about unions, and none about the stewardship of those who were entrusted in running industry. > > Please defend British management since WWII, there are so many instances of British industry being world leaders and investors just letting it slip from their grasp, preferring to take a larger slice of a diminishing cake rather than actually do the hard work and run industry in a capable manner. > > There were plenty other industries that behaved as stupidly and ineptly at the British motorcycle industry, and it was not the unions that were solely responsible, but also the heads in the sand attitude to competition from, among others, the Japanese and the Germans. > > Yes, go on, continue blaming the unions, but actually when it came to the crunch, they were crushed readily enough, it could have happend many years before, we could have had worker inclusion in company affairs, like Germany did, but the workers were not good enough to be consulted, bad managers always blame their workforce, its much easier than being self critical. > > It’s part of the selective mythology about British industrial failure, that the unions were totally at fault, it lets the accusers off the hook, and Tories never take responsibility for their failings, its why they are unelectable, because they didn’t engage the next generation, in fact its closer to say they alienated them, and they continued to rely on the old school, the blue rinses and the older voter along with their farming friends, instead of investing in the youth of the country, just like their friends in the city failed to invest in industry. > > Time passes and the Tory electorate is dying off faster than they can attract more, fucking serves them right. Yes there were external pressures on fossilised, nationalised, unionised industries (if you can call what were basically day centres for work-shy strike-happy moles “industries”). These were also faced by our competitors. They seemed to cope. I agree that the unions should have been crushed much earlier - but before Thatcher no one had the bottle to do it. It is that that marks her out as Britain’s greatest peacetime PM. Yes management was apalling - it is ALWAYS going to be apalling when you remove the profit motive - why should it be otherwise? And you are fooling yourself if you think that there won’t be further tory governments. Some people would say we’ve already got one (but that’s bollocks Blair is a trot just as much as Wilson) however another of Thatcher’s achievements is the destruction of red blooded socialism within even the labour party. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/64 "2004-11-16T11:18:57Z")
**Nietzsche** I just assumed you were a yank as you are behaving like the worst stereotype of a seppo - boorish, loud, obnoxious and stupid (and fat too probably). However you are actually worse than even the most obnoxious yank - so apolgies to America for ther slur. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/65 "2004-11-16T11:26:39Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > _SIGH_ Class warfare is so eighties old bean. > > And you are fooling yourself if you think that there won’t be further tory governments. Some people would say we’ve already got one (but that’s bollocks Blair is a trot just as much as Wilson) however another of Thatcher’s achievements is the destruction of red blooded socialism within even the labour party. Just to get this thread back to the original OP, the sooner we get a new Tory government, the sooner we stop Blair destroying all of the traditional institutions of our country. E.g. The House of Lords. As an aside, I am no fan of fox hunting, but banning it is just another leftist class war attack on our institutions. Lets get rid of Blair (legally at the next election) and save our country. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/66 "2004-11-16T11:29:28Z")
> [@Stryfe](#): > > Just to get this thread back to the original OP, the sooner we get a new Tory government, the sooner we stop Blair destroying all of the traditional institutions of our country. E.g. The House of Lords. > > As an aside, I am no fan of fox hunting, but banning it is just another leftist class war attack on our institutions. > > Lets get rid of Blair (legally at the next election) and save our country. Here here! Well said that man. Do you want to buy a ticket for the Tories Xmas draw - I’ve got hundreds of the buggers to shift? You could win a mini? ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/67 "2004-11-16T11:54:42Z")
Hey! You two should get together and suck each others dicks while writing into the Dailt Telegraph! Tradition is all well and good, but it needs to adapt to the times. A country run by people out of touch with the times isn’t going to do anybody any good. I don’t like the choices i’m given to vote for, so next time around, ima running for PM. Vote for me, i’ll sort this fucking country out for the better. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/68 "2004-11-16T11:56:54Z")
> [@Paulbeserker](#): > > I don’t like the choices i’m given to vote for, so next time around, ima running for PM. Vote for me, i’ll sort this fucking country out for the better. You’ve got my vote! You’re not that bad, for a tyke. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/69 "2004-11-16T12:09:04Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > Hey! You two should get together and suck each others dicks while writing into the Dailt Telegraph! > Tradition is all well and good, but it needs to adapt to the times. A country run by people out of touch with the times isn’t going to do anybody any good. I don’t like the choices i’m given to vote for, so next time around, ima running for PM. Vote for me, i’ll sort this fucking country out for the better. I don’t suck dick, ever! I read The Times not the Telegraph. I’m not out of touch, but we can be progressive without destroying institutions or denying our history. BTW, If you are running for PM I will stand against you. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/70 "2004-11-16T12:13:19Z")
> [@Nietzsche](#): > > You know, just as I was beginning to think that perhaps my rant had sprayed its bile a bit too far, you get vile vermin like this coming in and posting… That you perceive vermin does not legitimise you acting like vermin yourself, even in retrospect. > [@](#): > > I spell ass a-s-s because that’s how the word is spelled outside of that island shithole you call home. However, you are free to continue to think I’m American if you so desire. Actually, “arse” is also the spelling in Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand, to name but a few other English-speaking countries. “Ass” is a donkey, or the prudish spelling for an arse in the US (and possibly Canada). > [@](#): > > Go fuck yourself you tea slurping has-been. Limeys like you are the remnants of the most despicable garbage to roam the planet. > To the others I offended, my apologies. I don’t quite see how this works. “You fucking eskimos are a bunch of seal-killing igloo-living motherfuckers. Apologies to any eskimos I may have offended.” I think you’re a bit of an arse yourself. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/71 "2004-11-16T12:21:38Z")
> [@Stryfe](#): > > I don’t suck dick, ever! > > I read The Times not the Telegraph. > > I’m not out of touch, but we can be progressive without destroying institutions or denying our history. > > BTW, If you are running for PM I will stand against you. Well, you’re certainly sucking Tory dick in this thread. Oh, and the Tories were progressive without ever destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people (including my Uncles) that worked in the Mining Industry in the 80s weren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/72 "2004-11-16T12:26:24Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > Hey! You two should get together and suck each others dicks while writing into the Dailt Telegraph! > Tradition is all well and good, but it needs to adapt to the times. A country run by people out of touch with the times isn’t going to do anybody any good. I don’t like the choices i’m given to vote for, so next time around, ima running for PM. Vote for me, i’ll sort this fucking country out for the better. I do read the Telegraph (being a grown-up and all that) but I’ll have to sort out the fellatio thing with my wife, and she’s sure to have opinions on the matter (she has opinions on eveything else so I don’t see why this should be any different). Also the Tories didn’t end the mining industry in this country - it was killed by Scargil, McGahey and Gormley and their lefty mates in government. They just delivered the merciful coup de gras. I’m not going to vote for you as PM - I’m saving myself for Boris. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/73 "2004-11-16T12:38:50Z")
Please yourself, but i’ll give you two guesses who’ll be first against the wall come the reign of the berserker. A revolution that will be televised. I fucking guarantee you i’d win against that fucking bumbling idiot Boris. Fucker doesn’t even look like he could run a bath, never mind a government. Having said that, neither does GWB when I think about it. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/74 "2004-11-16T12:42:36Z")
Gosh! But you’re an angry young man! (It wears off as you get older you’ll be pleased to know) ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/75 "2004-11-16T12:46:12Z")
That I doubt. I’m 53. ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/76 "2004-11-16T12:50:03Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > That I doubt. I’m 53. Christ on a bike. What must your blood pressure be like? You’ll give yourself gout at this rate. And piles (or is that the root of the anger, the grapes of wrath?). ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/77 "2004-11-16T13:05:56Z")
Chill out Spartacus. I relieve all my tension by beating up corpses at the Funeral Home where I work, and my wife’s a great help to me. Anger on an international messageboard isn’t the same as anger in real life. In any case, you and **Stryfe** might want to tell your blessed party to be more than grey ghosts that form a mist on Telly once in a while. While I don’t particulary agree with Blair and Labour, at least you know they’re there. What ever happened to charisma? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/78 "2004-11-16T13:19:41Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > What ever happened to charisma? They just sacked him from the front bench. While I’m willing to concede that the unions needed taking down several pegs (and Bob Crow could still use a boot to the groin), using it as an excuse to hand piles of money to Maggie’s Tory cronies is hardly cricket by any standards. And while British Rail was a hotbed of incompetence and corruption, rail privatisation (at which I had a front row seat at OPRAF) was built on some extremely shaky foundations as well, as subsequent events have demonstrated. Not that BR was in great shape before 79, but the subsequent years saw ridicuous levels of underinvestment in the infrastructure that will now require about fifteen years and £100 billion to even start to get a decent service again. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/79 "2004-11-16T13:34:09Z")
> [@paulberserker](#): > > Chill out Spartacus. I relieve all my tension by beating up corpses at the Funeral Home where I work, and my wife’s a great help to me. Anger on an international messageboard isn’t the same as anger in real life. In any case, you and **Stryfe** might want to tell your blessed party to be more than grey ghosts that form a mist on Telly once in a while. While I don’t particulary agree with Blair and Labour, at least you know they’re there. What ever happened to charisma? At least you don’t beat up the wife and take out your (sexual) frustration on the corpses. I agree that the tories lack charisma, but having charisma does not necessarily mean you can run the country (back to Blair again). If we were to elect officials on charisma alone we would be heading down a similar road to our friends in the USA where money and charisma get you elected. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105/80 "2004-11-16T13:41:12Z")
Sorry, let me clarify a couple of things; I think I mean presence rather than charisma for your blue boys. I can’t name a single one aside from Boris, and I had to think hard about Ian Duncan Smith. If you don’t have enough presence that people actually remember your name, how do you expect anybody to vote for you or remember your policies, unless you come out with somekind of bullshit anti immigration proposals like they have recently? UKIP anybody? And secondly, I meant my wife helps me beat on the corpses. The fact you took it to mean sexual gratification in some way shows how low this thread is getting. (And yes, I know nobody accused me of CorpseSex (necrophilia) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tony-blair/273105.md?page=5)