# Fuck you, Tourneau and your deceptive business practices! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745 "2009-12-27T23:44:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/21 "2009-12-28T03:05:31Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > no it wasn’t… read the whole thread: > > See? Lobohan is nice enough to tell us that not every single person who wears a high-end watch is a douchbag, but > > 1. douchbags gravitate to a store like that I would think that many douchebags would. > [@](#): > > 1. In his/her experience, it’s like a person wearing a high-end sports car to show off indoors. For some people it is. For some people. You don’t live in a world with a lot of shades of gray do you? > [@](#): > > 1. If you did a douchbag test on everyone that wears a high-end watch, more douchbags would be found than not. Okay, you don’t read very well either, I said they would be in a higher incidence than the population at large. That might well be less than ten percent. 😃 > [@](#): > > 1. Oh, and just because he/she doesn’t wear a high-end watch doesn’t mean he/she can’t afford one. :dubious: In my view buying something that costs 10 to 1000 times what an equally functional object does isn’t something that is very smart. I wouldn’t pay a thousand times the price for a pair of shoes either. > [@](#): > > I opened this thread to complain about Tourneau’s business practices, not to discuss the character of the people that shop there. I was making a point that partial explained their policy. Douchebags exist. They want to seem rich and they would abuse the right to return of that store. > [@](#): > > That would be like me going into the Avatar thread, or the George Lucas thread and discuss Lobohan’s opinions in terms of the douch-baggery of them. Not necessarily Lobohan’s, but people like that… in my experience. You know what, you may not be a douchebag, but you’re certainly fucking stupid. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/22 "2009-12-28T03:15:47Z")
I don’t understand why people who eat jalapeño poppers are douchebags. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/23 "2009-12-28T03:43:42Z")
They aren’t they are jalapeño cheesebags. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/24 "2009-12-28T04:00:35Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I would think that many douchebags would. > For some people it is. For some people. You don’t live in a world with a lot of shades of gray do you? > Okay, you don’t read very well either, I said they would be in a higher incidence than the population at large. That might well be less than ten percent. 😃 > In my view buying something that costs 10 to 1000 times what an equally functional object does isn’t something that is very smart. I wouldn’t pay a thousand times the price for a pair of shoes either. > > I was making a point that partial explained their policy. Douchebags exist. They want to seem rich and they would abuse the right to return of that store. > > You know what, you may not be a douchebag, but you’re certainly fucking stupid. 😃 Kee-rist, **Lobohan** … go back to the fanboy wank threads for Avatar and George Lucas… when those fantasy/sci-fi movies don’t occupy your time to the point of debating the potential cost of unobtainium, maybe you’ll be able to afford a douchbag watch. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![St.Anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@St.Anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Anger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/25 "2009-12-28T04:03:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Just because I don’t think spending a thousand times the value for a bauble to impress the rubes is a good idea doesn’t mean I can’t afford them. It depends. Often times with watches, you can get what you pay for with the right research. I’ve bought my share of dime store watches, and they rarely last more than a year or so. I’ve bought fairly expensive watches that have lasted for decades. I didn’t buy them because I’m a douchebag who wants to impress your family . . .EEEEEER “the rubes”. I bought them for special occasions and knew they would last forever. They are hardly “baubles” but quality timepieces designed and manufactured to very high standards, obviously something you would probably hardly be able to appreciate. > [@](#): > > Now shut your whore mouth and re-read my posts. I didn’t say that every single person who buys an overpriced watch is a douchebag. I said that douchebags will gravitate to a store like that. Well, Stink Fish Pot pretty much exposed you as a fraud. If you are going to say something, be prepared to back it up and not give us a phony-baloney “that’s not what I said” spin. > [@](#): > > Sort of how a douchebag like you gravitated to the pit. 😃 And stop grinning after your cheap shots. That makes you a douchebag. . . . . . 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/26 "2009-12-28T04:11:10Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Kee-rist, **Lobohan** … go back to the fanboy wank threads for Avatar and George Lucas… when those fantasy/sci-fi movies don’t occupy your time to the point of debating the potential cost of unobtainium, maybe you’ll be able to afford a douchbag watch. 😃 I would rather have a 2 or 3 hundred dollar watch and have 10k to spend on a comic books. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/27 "2009-12-28T04:15:06Z")
> [@St.Anger](#): > > It depends. > > Often times with watches, you can get what you pay for with the right research. I’ve bought my share of dime store watches, and they rarely last more than a year or so. I’ve bought fairly expensive watches that have lasted for decades. I didn’t buy them because I’m a douchebag who wants to impress your family . . .EEEEEER “the rubes”. I bought them for special occasions and knew they would last forever. They are hardly “baubles” but quality timepieces designed and manufactured to very high standards, obviously something you would probably hardly be able to appreciate. Oh I like craftsmanship. I’m not a particular fan of empty fashion though. That said, buy an expensive watch if you want. A lot of people do that to show off though. Watches are the only flashy jewelry men are allowed to wear. > [@](#): > > Well, Stink Fish Pot pretty much exposed you as a fraud. If you are going to say something, be prepared to back it up and not give us a phony-baloney “that’s not what I said” spin. He pretty much did not. Like I say, read again for comprehension. Domo. > [@](#): > > And stop grinning after your cheap shots. That makes you a douchebag. > . > . > . > . > . > > 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![St.Anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@St.Anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Anger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/28 "2009-12-28T07:02:40Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I would rather have a 2 or 3 hundred dollar watch and _ **have 10k to spend on a comic books.** _ > > 😃 I’d like reply by sayi . . . . wait . . . . have to sneeze here: . . . . . . ah . . . AH . . . . . **LOSER!!!** \*\*\*\* . . . . . . . . . . . . . 😃 . . . . . . . 😃 . . . . 😃 . . . . I’m sorry, you were saying? 😃 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/29 "2009-12-28T07:33:16Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Sounds mighty close to criminal fraud to me. I’d write about ten letters, at least one of which would go to the state AG. Assuming the facts are as stated, that the manager’s written promise of a refund was surrepticiously whisked away and altered after the purchase, I imagine this actually IS a criminal act to defraud. IANAL, but had they not eventually coughed up a refund I would be talking to the police. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/30 "2009-12-28T08:02:37Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Assuming the facts are as stated, that the manager’s written promise of a refund was surrepticiously whisked away and altered after the purchase, I imagine this actually IS a criminal act to defraud. IANAL, but had they not eventually coughed up a refund I would be talking to the police. I agree that is a bait and switch type of move. Unfortunately, dickhead customer service moves are frequently legal. The refund _was_ granted as promised. They were dicks about it, sure, but they did grant it and thus didn’t actually do anything illegal. They’re still bastards, but you can’t sue for that. ETA: I think we both agree on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/31 "2009-12-28T08:52:28Z")
> [@St.Anger](#): > > I’d like reply by sayi . . . . wait . . . . have to sneeze here: > . > . > > . > . > > . > . > ah > . > . > . > AH > . > . > . > . > . > > **LOSER!!!** \*\*\*\* > . > . > > . > . > . > . > . > . > > . > . > . > . > . > 😃 > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > 😃 > . > . > . > . > 😃 > . > . > . > . > I’m sorry, you were saying? 😃 😃 😃 😃 Oh, I am cut to the quick! I was making a joke because Fishpot above took issue with my posting in the Avatar and George Lucas threads. I think you aren’t as clever as you think you are. Unless your version of clever involves making jokes repeating what someone else has said as a self-deprecating remark. In any case I assume this random deflection is an admission you were wrong above, right? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/32 "2009-12-28T10:25:36Z")
These people sound like a joke, How do they stay in business with customer service like that? That is out-and-out contempt. If you want something that works as timepiece and elegant jewellery, costs a quarter of the equivalent big name brand and enables you to stick it to crappy dealers: Check out Christopher Ward [http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men.html](http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men.html) Best of all they have a 60-60 guarantee. If you don’t like it for any reason you have 60 days to return , no-quibble. Then a 60 month general guarantee. $300 will get you a beautiful Swiss made automatic watch with a movement every bit as good (or better) as a $2000 Rolex. Of course if you are bothered about it being a name people recognise…well, I can’t help you. The reason prices are so low is that they don’t advertise, associate with celebrities or sell through external vendors. Word of mouth is how they advertise which I guess is what I’m doing. Their customer service is excellent. (every customer receives a hand signed letter from Mr. Ward himself). Go-on, sod the Omega, get 5 of these instead! ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/33 "2009-12-28T11:09:30Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > These people sound like a joke, How do they stay in business with customer service like that? That is out-and-out contempt. > > If you want something that works as timepiece and elegant jewellery, costs a quarter of the equivalent big name brand and enables you to stick it to crappy dealers: Check out Christopher Ward > [http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men.html](http://www.christopherward.co.uk/men.html) > > Best of all they have a 60-60 guarantee. If you don’t like it for any reason you have 60 days to return , no-quibble. Then a 60 month general guarantee. > > $300 will get you a beautiful Swiss made automatic watch with a movement every bit as good (or better) as a $2000 Rolex. > > Of course if you are bothered about it being a name people recognise…well, I can’t help you. The reason prices are so low is that they don’t advertise, associate with celebrities or sell through external vendors. > > Word of mouth is how they advertise which I guess is what I’m doing. Their customer service is excellent. (every customer receives a hand signed letter from Mr. Ward himself). > > Go-on, sod the Omega, get 5 of these instead! I agree, there are many many cheaper watches that are perfectly functional and look quite nice with a cost under $500, though I admit my favorite watch is a russian self winder that cost my husband $20 US off a russian sailor in Bremmerhaven. I am assuming it is a cheap russian watch because everything written anywhere is in cyrillic, and I cant see a russian sailor spending a lot of money on a watch and being willing to sell it so cheaply. But I kill quartz based watches with a funky personal electrical field, so I don’t bother using anything but purely mechanical watches. [I killed an $800 G shock, after 3 months of wear it started running backwards:smack:] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/34 "2009-12-28T14:41:40Z")
I used to work in a high-end sunglass store. The practice of “renting” nice sunglasses (we had Cartier models running up into the $5,000 range, but everything else was under $600) was rare, but it _did_ happen. ---
**Author:** ![St.Anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@St.Anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Anger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/35 "2009-12-28T17:03:04Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I think you aren’t as clever as you think you are. You would be correct. I constantly underestimate my cleverness, and never cease to be amazed at the results. > [@](#): > > In any case I assume this random deflection is an admission you were wrong above, right? No. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/36 "2009-12-28T22:23:41Z")
> [@Batfish](#): > > Anyone who buys things for the “look at me, see what I own” effect is likely to be a douchbag of some order. Do you know any other reason someone would own a “high end” watch? Because of corrosive sweat? Dad sort’a… ate through watches. The titanium one Mom bought him to celebrate they’d been together for 30 years is the only one that really lasted. He wore it for 12 years, she uses it now (it’s relatively small within being a man’s model, as Dad had small hands). ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/37 "2009-12-29T01:57:36Z")
> [@St.Anger](#): > > Just because some people can afford nice things and you can’t doesn’t necessarily make them douche bags. True, but sadly many douchebags can afford nice things. ---
**Author:** ![St.Anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@St.Anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Anger)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/38 "2009-12-29T03:23:26Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#): > > True, but sadly many douchebags can afford nice things. True, however I would submit that douchebags come in all colors, creeds, religions and economic classes. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/39 "2009-12-29T03:28:03Z")
> [@St.Anger](#): > > True, however I would submit that douchebags come in all colors, creeds, religions and economic classes. And some douchebags will buy watches to show off and then return them. So the policies of the store are reasonable. It is not reasonable however, to change the handwritten note. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745/40 "2009-12-29T03:32:21Z")
> [@St.Anger](#): > > True, however I would submit that douchebags come in all colors, creeds, religions and economic classes. I prefer lemon-lime douchebags, myself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-tourneau-and-your-deceptive-business-practices/522745.md?page=3)