# Fuck you, Voice of Christian Youth America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468 "2008-04-08T15:40:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/81 "2008-04-08T22:22:01Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] If you have no evidence to back up what you said, why say it at all? [/QUOTE] So everyone else here has evidence that what they are saying is correct…well sorrrrrryyyyyy ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/82 "2008-04-08T22:35:30Z")
**blinking** , I absolutely assure you that the information sent home to parents said what the theme of the dress-up day was. Elementary school teachers and administrators assume that parents want to know this so as to prepare their children. It’s not like they are going to rely on the children to communicate this important detail. And really, do you want to be taking swipes at dweebs? On THIS message board in particular??? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/83 "2008-04-08T22:36:54Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] I would like an apology for him calling me names for no good reason. [/QUOTE] You were the first one to resort to name calling in our exchange in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/84 "2008-04-08T22:37:13Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] Bullshit! \*\*Did the flier say all the boys will come to school in dresses or skirts? \*\* I doubt it. It said we are having a dress-up day. All the parents think ‘Oh little Johnny can be a pirate at school.’ [/QUOTE] Bullshit! It made no such requirements. It simply said.[.](http://www.rsd.k12.wi.us/pineview/newsletter.pdf). [QUOTE=Pineview Newsletter] Friday, April 4th is Senior Citizen/Opposite Gender Day. This is a day where you can dress up as an older person and/or the opposite gender. [/QUOTE] They also planned a PJ day (promoting sex!), 70’s/80’s day (promoting sex in Leisure Suits!), a “Wacky” dress day (promoting clown sex!), and a beach day (promoting sex on the beach!). Damn perverts. > [@](#): > > I am agnostic and not **homo-phobic** , but am I allowed to object to my son’s school wanting him to wear a dress to school? Ah, a big supporter of gay marriage now, are ya? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/85 "2008-04-08T22:38:14Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] So everyone else here has evidence that what they are saying is correct…well sorrrrrryyyyyy [/QUOTE] Actually, yes. That’s the point. You make arguments based on actual facts, or the logical consequences of such. You don’t just say shit that _might_ be true. Thus people are talking about the specific facts, because they’re important. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/86 "2008-04-08T22:38:21Z")
[QUOTE=Thudlow Boink] At first I thought they might have a smidgen of a point, if kids were being pressured to dress in ways they were uncomfortable with. Then I read the linked article and realized those morons don’t have a leg to stand on. The “Voice of Christian Youth America” indeed! Hear that, America’s Christian young people? This is who’s claiming to speak for you. [/QUOTE] They don’t “speak for” me. I couldn’t care less what the little rug rats dress up as. I only object to the idea that local residents (and local radio shows) have no business voicing their opinions (even flawed opinions) to the school administration. BTW, did anyone notice the irony of the talk show on that radio station? It’s called “Crosstalk”. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/87 "2008-04-08T22:43:28Z")
[QUOTE=niblet\_head] **blinking** , I absolutely assure you that the information sent home to parents said what the theme of the dress-up day was. Elementary school teachers and administrators assume that parents want to know this so as to prepare their children. It’s not like they are going to rely on the children to communicate this important detail. [/QUOTE] My point (again) is - is there not one teacher at that school that thought 'I wonder what would happen if the local radio station heard about us getting the kids dressed as tranvestites." ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/88 "2008-04-08T22:44:47Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] Your job for the rest of the day is to try to understand why your thinking here is illogical. Do not try to think about the issue in this thread. Just try to work out why your thinking in this sentence is illogical. You appear to possess some grey matter. If you spend 8-9 hours just on this, you should be able to understand. I expect no more posts from you today as you should be working on this. [/QUOTE] I find the suggestion that the parents didn’t know the details to be highly implausible. They had three different opportunities to be informed. In fliers sent home with the kids, in a newsletter and from the kids themselves when they dressed up. Your insinuation that they intentionally whithheld information from the parents does not pass a sniff test. You argument that at least one parent should be expected to object is predicated (I think) on your own misperception of what the “dress up” really entailed. Although I wasn’t there, I have had enough experience working schools to be virtually certain that any “cross-dressing” was minimal, done over regular clothes and did not approach anything like serious drag. ---
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/89 "2008-04-08T22:48:11Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] Actually, yes. That’s the point. You make arguments based on actual facts, or the logical consequences of such. You don’t just say shit that _might_ be true. Thus people are talking about the specific facts, because they’re important. [/QUOTE] The only ‘specific facts’ in this case are from a new story from an online newspaper which I had never heard about before. Are you saying that noone here can make discussion without facts? ---
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/90 "2008-04-08T22:49:37Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] You were the first one to resort to name calling in our exchange in this thread. [/QUOTE] Do you mind showing me where I started name-calling? Or is this a feeble attempt at humour? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/91 "2008-04-08T22:49:49Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] The only ‘specific facts’ in this case are from a new story from an online newspaper which I had never heard about before. Are you saying that noone here can make discussion without facts? [/QUOTE] What the fuck? I posted the actual text in post 84. Can we just stop with the “what ifs?” and get to the “ **blinkingblinking** is an idiot” conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/92 "2008-04-08T22:50:00Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] My point (again) is - is there not one teacher at that school that thought 'I wonder what would happen if the local radio station heard about us getting the kids dressed as tranvestites." [/QUOTE] I’ve been a teacher at schools which did things like this (including events where kids could pseudo-crossdress) and the thought never entered my head that any radio station would be interested. I never once heard anyone on the faculty say “what will Christian radio think?” I think that you really have the wrong idea about what the dress up really entails. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/93 "2008-04-08T22:52:42Z")
> [@blinkingblinking](#): > > My point (again) is - is there not one teacher at that school that thought 'I wonder what would happen if the local radio station heard about us getting the kids dressed as tranvestites." No. Because the children were not dressing as transvestites. The children do not know what transvestites are. The children thought it would be wacky to dress opposite to what boys do and girls do. The children, the teachers, and the parents understand this is harmless fun for one day. The teachers did not “get” the kids to dress as anything. It is you and the religious freaks that are extrapolating some unseemly connotation to a dress up day. It’s not making a mountain out of a molehill, it’s making a mountain out of absolutely _nothing_. Go back and read some of the threads where it talks about traditions of boys dressing up as girls and vice versa in American schools. This is not some crazy thing that no one’s ever thought of before. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/94 "2008-04-08T22:53:02Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] Do you mind showing me where I started name-calling? Or is this a feeble attempt at humour? [/QUOTE] Post #60. You said this: > [@](#): > > I am not claiming special knowledge. I would love to see what the flier actually said. It is ludicrous for you to write ‘Cite?’ Are you some kind of moron? > I am saying that if the flier was explicit, then it is doubtful there was not one parent objecting. Is that too difficult for your feeble brain to comprehend? You called me a moron and accused me of having a “feeble brain.” I suppose you’re going to quibble that asking “are you a moron?” is not the same as _calling_ me a moron. I reject that kind of weaselling preemptively. It amounts to the same level of discourse. You started this shit, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/95 "2008-04-08T22:54:44Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] Do you mind showing me where I started name-calling? Or is this a feeble attempt at humour? [/QUOTE] Easy. > [@Dio](#): > > How do you know what the letter said? > > Apparently, the parents were told that kids had a choice of either dressing up as the opposite sex or as senior citizens (or not to dress up at all). You are claiming to have some special knowledge that information was withheld from the parents. Cite? > [@blinkingblinking](#): > > I am not claiming special knowledge. I would love to see what the flier actually said. It is ludicrous for you to write ‘Cite?’ Are you some kind of moron? > I am saying that if the flier was explicit, then it is doubtful there was not one parent objecting. Is that too difficult for your feeble brain to comprehend? Yup, looks like you insulted him first. ---
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/96 "2008-04-08T22:55:54Z")
I did say “Are you some kind of moron?” But that was obviously justified by your writing ‘Cite?’ all the time. But that was just a question though. Shouldn’t you be still working on that logic problem instead of posting here ? ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/97 "2008-04-08T23:01:00Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] The only ‘specific facts’ in this case are from a new story from an online newspaper which I had never heard about before. Are you saying that noone here can make discussion without facts? [/QUOTE] Clearly you have been able to make a discussion without facts. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/98 "2008-04-08T23:06:52Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] I trying to think of how one would dress up as a senior. Other than wearing your belt up around your chest, I’m drawing a blank. I’m also curious how a girl would dress up as a boy. I see women in jeans and t-shirts all the time. [/QUOTE] I slicked my hair down, wore a sweater vest and slacks, tie, and painted on a mascara mustache. The football team’s girlfriends wore their beau’s jersey. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/99 "2008-04-08T23:17:41Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] I did say “Are you some kind of moron?” But that was obviously justified by your writing ‘Cite?’ all the time. [/quote] Asking you to support an assertion is “moronic?” > [@](#): > > But that was just a question though. So? It was an insulting question, which is fine, I can take it, but by lowering the discourse you disqualified yourself from being able to whine about being responded to in kind. > [@](#): > > Shouldn’t you be still working on that logic problem instead of posting here? If this is addressed to me, I have no idea what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468/100 "2008-04-08T23:19:17Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] Well, there’s a constitutional requirement that no religion be imposed by the public school system, true. But the point is, why have an event that’s just for fun, that some kids can’t participate in? [/QUOTE] Not necessarily, at least as far as choral programs go. Many traditionally religious songs are done, simply because they are classical, traditional pieces. Again, like I said, MY high school did this during Spirit Week (Homecoming). And there were NO objections, as far as I know. It was just something goofy. And I don’t remember any of the guys participating, except for one or two. [QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Eh? Elementary school is just about the last time you can try on the other gender’s clothes just for fun **without** any sexual subtext being psychologically relevant. (Relevant to the kids, that is; there always might be one or two adults in the audience to whom it is very relevant indeed . . .) [/QUOTE] I said, _in the PARENT’S eyes_. Again, I do NOT agree. I’m just sayin’. I really, REALLY wish someone would stand up to these bigots (CYA) and tell them to fuck off. The kids were NOT BEING FORCED TO PARTICPATE. IF a parent didn’t want them to do so, the kids didn’t have to. Hell, keep the kid home that day if it offends you that much. **blinkingblinking** , if anything, the kid would probably be teased for NOT participating. If everyone’s doing it, no one’s going to make fun of the kid, for fuck’s sake. And if you have objections to name calling, I suggest you stay out of the Pit. You’ve been around here long enough to know that. They’re probably more likely to make fun of the kid with a goofy name, like that of an instrument, or some Russian madman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voice-of-christian-youth-america/444468.md?page=6)