# Fuck You, Voters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326 "2010-11-03T14:09:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/141 "2010-11-03T21:25:16Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Want to give me some money? C’mon, it’s only, like, $20 a month. No? How come? Is it because you’re a self-centered sociopath? Oh, come on! I’m an American, you’re an American! We’re on the same team. You should care about my economic welfare. So how about that check? Want me to PM you my mailing address? Cash is OK, too. If you were in need of emergency medical treatment? I’d likely give you more than $20, if I had it to give. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/142 "2010-11-03T21:32:36Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > So much to respond to, so little time. I’m not going to try to carve up your quotes, so: > > First you talk about only counting elected political leaders and saying that message board posters don’t count, then you say “there are lots of people in this country that genuinely believe that he’s not a US citizen”. I’m confused. Are you talking about politicians in Congress or random citizens like Glenn Beck, this message board, and “lots of people”? You’re conflating two seperate points. My original response was to your assertion that elected representatives calling him a marxist was equivelant to random people on a message board saying negative things about republicans. The second point was that you said everyone knows those statements aren’t meant to be believed, are hyperbolic, etc. and I’m saying that’s not the case because clearly a shitload of people really believe them. > [@](#): > > If you want an over-the-top, “hyperbolic, evil” statements made by politicians, how about “The Republican plan is ‘Get sick? Die quickly.’” That’s a pretty evil caricature to paint Republicans, isn’t it? I suppose that’s a fair point, although it was specifically to highlight the factual issue that the republicans had no counter-proposal to the health care reform debate. > [@](#): > > As for my Tu Quoque ‘lesson’, I was merely trying to head off that Doper favorite before anyone even said it. > > Regarding ERs, I think hospitals should do whatever they need to do to stay open. If that means providing minimal care, then yes, they should turn them away. “Die in the street” is an exaggeration, but yeah, they shouldn’t treat people that can’t pay for it. That’s what charity is for. That’s why people set up foundations for that sort of thing. As for HC(Insurance)R, I think the government should set up an entity like the VA or Medicaid where you pay into it and receive the benefits of the plan. If you risk going without it, then that’s on you. The difference is that it’s not mandatory and you don’t get money out that you never paid in, just like SS and Unemployment. If they should turn people away, how is “die in the street” an exaggeration? I mean, if a person without means to pay comes into the emergency room with something fatal, isn’t that what would happen? “In the street” may not be accurate, maybe they’d give them a place in the waiting room to die. As for your second point, fair enough - but any suggestions of a public option (which people would’ve had to pay in for) was the thing that spurred on the loudest cries of COMMUNISM!!! OMG!!! ---
**Author:** ![AmericanMaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@AmericanMaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmericanMaid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/143 "2010-11-03T21:35:41Z")
The election just confirmed that I am living in the right state for my beliefs and priorities. Every person and question I voted on went my way. I love you MA! Booze will be cheap, affordable housing easy to build, and sales tax will be out out the wazoo. I’ll be happy in my little blue bubble up here and try to get my outrage up over government shutdowns and impeachment trials. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/144 "2010-11-03T21:37:32Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > Jokes get less funny the more you repeat them. Yeah…But not that one. It is gallows humor though, admittedly. You gotta laugh when someone that stupid is considered “best.” ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/145 "2010-11-03T21:46:31Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Gosh, the world just keeps dropping to rock bottom every two years because nobody votes right. > > Look, after a few days of office remodeling, mediocrity as usual will resume. Congress is full of pricks nobody wanted. No potential second coming of Hitler will be able to pass any laws unless they’re seriously watered down. The power of committee sucks from both the good and bad ends, leaving mediocrity to thrive. Yeah, that’s true. I’ve lived through a lot of elections. I’m happy when my guys win, I’m sad when my guys lose. But nothing really ever changes. I can’t think of a single thing that would have happened differently in my life if different people had been elected at any point – with one exception, and it’s not even in the U.S.: If the Parti Quebecois had not been elected to power in Quebec in 1976, I might still be living in Montreal rather than California. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/146 "2010-11-03T22:00:13Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > Yeah, that’s true. I’ve lived through a lot of elections. I’m happy when my guys win, I’m sad when my guys lose. But nothing really ever changes. I can’t think of a single thing that would have happened differently in my life if different people had been elected at any point You’re fucking kidding, right? The US invasion of Iraq had absolutely no effect on your life? Or would have happened even if Gore was president? You’re absolutely certain than 9/11 would have happened if Bush hadn’t been the guy ignoring warnings? Or is it that 9/11 didn’t affect you at all? The botched response to Katrina (and arguably, the neglect of the levies beforehand) would have gone down just the same way, or did that not affect you at all either? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/147 "2010-11-03T22:05:37Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You’re absolutely certain than 9/11 would have happened if Bush hadn’t been the guy ignoring warnings? Well, if it was some other guy ignoring warnings, probably. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/148 "2010-11-03T22:06:32Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > She thinks that I thought that my top marginal rate for the federal income tax was my overall tax rate. In fact, I just looked at what’s missing from my paycheck, which accounts for all income taxes. Those two numbers just so happen to be close, thus her error. That’s what I figured, but I thought I would give her a chance to explain herself (or just flail about if that’s all she’s capable of on this issue). It’s nice how several people agreed with her–shows the dumbass is still strong among the doper liberal douche contingent. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/149 "2010-11-03T22:06:57Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You’re absolutely certain than 9/11 would have happened if Bush hadn’t been the guy ignoring warnings? Or is it that 9/11 didn’t affect you at all? Considering the numerous terrorist attacks that Clinton failed to stop - yeah, I’m absolutely certain 9/11 would have happened either way. And this isn’t to put any special blame on Clinton, just noting that in cases like this the advantage is generally with the terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/150 "2010-11-03T22:12:48Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > That last sentence “And neither does anyone else” says a lot about your mindset. You really honestly believe that everyone else thinks like you, don’t you? > > You really do believe that we’re all totally self-centered sociopaths. See? This is exactly what I was talking about. Do you believe that transfer payments are unfair and/or that people are better off leading their own lives rather than having to depend on the government to provide for their needs? Well then, you’re nothing but a _"totally self-centered sociopath_"! Apparently a belief in self-reliance and individual responsiblity has become another of those things which are so evil that they don’t deserve tolerance either. It’s simply impossible in the minds of most liberals to think in any way other than they do and not be assigned ignoble or evil intent as a result. So whenever they encounter someone who believes differently than they do, the insult-slinging starts. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/151 "2010-11-03T22:20:17Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If they should turn people away, how is “die in the street” an exaggeration? I mean, if a person without means to pay comes into the emergency room with something fatal, isn’t that what would happen? “In the street” may not be accurate, maybe they’d give them a place in the waiting room to die. > > As for your second point, fair enough - but any suggestions of a public option (which people would’ve had to pay in for) was the thing that spurred on the loudest cries of COMMUNISM!!! OMG!!! I meant it’d be an exaggeration of my position to say “Yes, they should turn them away to die in the streets.” Fatal injuries should not be turned away, IMO. treat first, and most of those people can find a way to pay later. People that should be turned away are those people that repeatedly come to the ER with, say, asthma instead of getting a prescription and paying for it. And the thing about the public option was that it wasn’t really an option. It was going to be taxpayer funded no matter what. My plan is an actual option…you don’t have to pay any extra tax to buy into the system. If you opt not to pay the premium/tax/fee/whatever-you-call-it, then you don’t get coverage. In other words, I want a system like the post office. If you want to get your mail/healthcare through Fedex/Aetna, go ahead. But since there’s a lack of a profit motive, and because the rules are nationwide, and because the infrastructure is so solid and expansive, you’d be a fool not to get your mail/healthcare through USPS/USHealth. But I really don’t want to derail this thread into the 5,000th HCInsuranceR debate. I restate my position that Republican political discourse is not as bad as you(general) make it out to be. Democrats didn’t lose handily because Fox News put everyone in a hypnotic trance; they lost because they tried to spend people’s money during a recession. That’s why Marco “shrink government” Rubio won but Christine “your penis is dirty” O’Donnell lost. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/152 "2010-11-03T22:47:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Apparently a belief in self-reliance and individual responsiblity has become another of those things which are so evil that they don’t deserve tolerance either. Ah, bullshit. Considering I’ve been employed steadily for the past 25 years and pay for my own insurance, I’d say I believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility to an extent. The problem with those of you who think UHC is evil is you assume anybody who doesn’t have a job (or a job that offers insurance) is a failure as a human being, and not deserving of medical services if it means it comes out of taxes. You can’t comprehend that somebody could be laid off and unable to afford insurance; you assume there are hordes of undesirables just looking to freeload off you, the taxpayer. Because you’ve never been in the position, you think it’s a fantasy. Fairly hateful. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/153 "2010-11-03T22:51:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Fuck you Voters Don’t blame the voters, lots went your way. Blame all those potential young voters who are just too fucking lazy to take an hour out to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/154 "2010-11-03T22:55:20Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > These statements are what make me laugh at liberals. “High school seniors panhandle on the street”? Seriously? Oh no, those poor, poor 18-year olds! Why should they have to fend for themselves when we can just give them other people’s money?! WHY?! Don’t people realize that we have the power to take from the haves and give it to the have-nots, thus making everyone happy? You must be stupid to vote against it! > > Either that, or you have a sense of fairness and personal responsibility, a quality that liberals are severely lacking in. I’ll tell those panhandling 18-year olds the same thing I tell everyone bitching about not having a job: The Army’s hiring. These paragraphs are almost as good as the old ladies protesting “Government out of my Medicare!” Almost as good. Conveys the same blissfully ignorant message, but it’s not quite as snappy and you can’t fit it all on a picket sign. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/155 "2010-11-03T23:02:49Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Leave it to a fucking moron from Texas to support a fucking troll’s viewpoint. Oh, listen…another broke-dick dog chimed in on the howl. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/156 "2010-11-03T23:05:03Z")
If I know my friend **SFG** , she’s busy composing her rebuttal/riposte, but I am VERY interested in the question about smoking weed and it being legal to do so. I have a very important reason for asking her this as I have a niece who may need it, and we live in Georgia. And just for my friend and her closing remark, here’s a version of the original regarding her phrase which begins with “Good Morning, America…” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/rtGVL8al8_0/hqdefault.jpg "(Arlo Guthrie) City Of New Orleans - Sungha Jung") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtGVL8al8_0) I am soooo jealous of that little fart who can spread his fingers that wide at that age! Sorry for the mini hijack, **SFG**! Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/157 "2010-11-03T23:16:57Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Oh, listen…another broke-dick dog chimed in on the howl. Do you know that you’re stupid? I’m just wondering if you can tell. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/158 "2010-11-03T23:24:53Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Fatal injuries should not be turned away, IMO. treat first, and most of those people can find a way to pay later. People that should be turned away are those people that repeatedly come to the ER with, say, asthma instead of getting a prescription and paying for it. You are aware, of course, that athsma attacks can be fatal, yes? Also, were there actual UHC, wouldn’t the overall cost of healthcare be lower than it currently is? ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/159 "2010-11-03T23:36:52Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > Oh, listen…another broke-dick dog chimed in on the howl. > > Do you know that you’re stupid? I’m just wondering if you can tell. I think it depends. What _is_ the price of Thorazine at the moment? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/160 "2010-11-03T23:48:34Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > > [@tds1273](#): > > > > Sestak’s loss was very disappointing all the way on this coast even. Is it likely he will bounce back and run for the senate again in the future or perhaps for a different office? I’d really like to see the guy stick around in some capacity. > > I don’t really know. Even though I’m somewhat active in politics I haven’t met him personally. My gut feeling is that he’ll remain active, but that’s all it is, a gut feeling. I really wish he’d waited and run for Casey’s seat instead of Specter’s. Instead of a social moderate and a social moderate-to-liberal, we now have two extreme social conservatives in Casey and Toomey. It’s going to be an interesting two to four years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326.md?page=9)