# Fuck You, Voters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326 "2010-11-03T14:09:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/161 "2010-11-03T23:58:53Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’m not too upset. O’Donnell and Angle lost, so the circus didn’t actually come to town. > > 2004 was the height of the anti-gay marriage furor. Since then, it’s died down. People can’t sustain that level of vitriol and spite. My guess is that this wave crested last night and will now die down and a few years down the line people are going to say, “Tea party? Huh,” the same way they feel kind of baffled at how gay marriage was sooooo important in 2004 and now, six years later, the fever is just gone except for a handful of nuts. > > This country is becoming more tolerant and more liberal with every passing generation. Yes, there are peaks and valleys, but the right is losing. You can’t just be “anti” forever. It can work as a short-term strategy, but not long-term. > > Liberalism, tolerance, and sanity are winning. It doesn’t always look like it, but it’s true. Setbacks will happen and it’s incredibly easy to get discouraged, but we will win. Quoted for truth. You could look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/162 "2010-11-03T23:59:28Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > The fact is, my tax rate is 32%, after all the state, local, and federal taxes. That means that when I work 9-5 Monday to Friday, I don’t even start getting paid until Tuesday at 1:48 in the afternoon. And that’s before I even buy anything and pay the sales tax on it! > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Do people really misunderstand our tax system to this degree? In what way does **Chessic Sense** exhibit a major misunderstanding of the tax system? ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/163 "2010-11-03T23:59:52Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You’re fucking kidding, right? The US invasion of Iraq had absolutely no effect on your life? Or would have happened even if Gore was president? > > You’re absolutely certain than 9/11 would have happened if Bush hadn’t been the guy ignoring warnings? Or is it that 9/11 didn’t affect you at all? > > The botched response to Katrina (and arguably, the neglect of the levies beforehand) would have gone down just the same way, or did that not affect you at all either? A lot of things in the news would have been different, but no, none of the items you mentioned affected me personally. Emotionally, certainly – I was in tears after 9/11 like everyone else. But nothing in my life was that different. Oh yes – airport security. That’s kind of a pain now. So that’s something that’s affected me. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/164 "2010-11-04T00:04:58Z")
> [@Chessic Sense](#): > > You’re god damned right I don’t. And neither does anyone else. Yesterday, the citizens of Massachusetts voted to NOT decrease the sales tax by over 50%. Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/165 "2010-11-04T00:12:58Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > No need. I can already tell you. She thinks that I thought that my top marginal rate for the federal income tax was my overall tax rate. In fact, I just looked at what’s missing from my paycheck, which accounts for all income taxes. Those two numbers just so happen to be close, thus her error. That’s true. I did think you made that mistake. I’ve seen so many people make it. I think you’re a moron, so I was even more likely to think you made it. I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/166 "2010-11-04T00:16:01Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > You are aware, of course, that athsma attacks can be fatal, yes? > Also, were there actual UHC, wouldn’t the overall cost of healthcare be lower than it currently is? Shit. I know, I know. But I had about 20 seconds to think of something that’s reoccuring, easily treatable, and nonfatal. I fudged the last part and hoped no one would notice. Well, you try it, Mr. Smarty Pants! 20 seconds…go. And I have no idea if it’d be lower than it is now. On the one hand, you’ve got things like the post office, which seem to run pretty smoothly and cheap. On the other, you’ve got programs like just about every transit system in a major city (at least the cities I’ve lived in, anyway) that is always broke, mechanically and fiscally. I trust the government with my money as far as I can throw the Capitol building. So while they _say_ it’ll be cheaper, I highly doubt that it will pan out that way. That’s why I said upthread that “I highly doubt” people will like it in a few years. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/167 "2010-11-04T00:17:48Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Yesterday, the citizens of Massachusetts voted to NOT decrease the sales tax by over 50%. Please explain. Commie fascist liberals, the lot o’ ya. 😃 I really should start using smilies. I think it’s obvious when I’m joking and when I’m not, but then again, I’m in a thread with **Dio** and **Starving Artist**. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/168 "2010-11-04T00:20:50Z")
Fuck me - I’m the goddam **Pit**! I’m supposed to stay out of here, but I can’t avoid reading a post by **SFG** , ah reckon! 🙂 _backs out slowly_ 🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/169 "2010-11-04T00:28:18Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > > [@davidm](#): > > > > That last sentence “And neither does anyone else” says a lot about your mindset. You really honestly believe that everyone else thinks like you, don’t you? > > > > You really do believe that we’re all totally self-centered sociopaths. > > Want to give me some money? C’mon, it’s only, like, $20 a month. No? How come? Is it because you’re a self-centered sociopath? Oh, come on! I’m an American, you’re an American! We’re on the same team. You should care about my economic welfare. So how about that check? Want me to PM you my mailing address? Cash is OK, too. > > No, I don’t think people are (or I am) self-centered sociopaths. But I _do_ think that people only care about their local community and the people they know. They care about their families and friends. They care about their church or their social club. They care about their favorite restaurant and the bowling alley. And that’s about it. > > Do you understand that I’m basically saying that people don’t like to give money to other people against their will? Are you really calling that behavior sociopathic? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying. Is this what you consider to be proper debating technique? You say one thing, I respond, then you respond in a way that gives the impression that what I was responding to was something completely different from what you said. This is the pit so I guess it’s not against the rules. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/170 "2010-11-04T00:34:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@davidm](#): > > > > That last sentence “And neither does anyone else” says a lot about your mindset. You really honestly believe that everyone else thinks like you, don’t you? > > > > You really do believe that we’re all totally self-centered sociopaths. > > See? This is exactly what I was talking about. > > Do you believe that transfer payments are unfair and/or that people are better off leading their own lives rather than having to depend on the government to provide for their needs? Well then, you’re nothing but a _"totally self-centered sociopath_"! > > Apparently a belief in self-reliance and individual responsiblity has become another of those things which are so evil that they don’t deserve tolerance either. > > It’s simply impossible in the minds of most liberals to think in any way other than they do and not be assigned ignoble or evil intent as a result. So whenever they encounter someone who believes differently than they do, the insult-slinging starts. Interesting. Either your and **Chessic Sense** can’t read English or you both went to the same school of debating (non-)techniques. Like I said to **Chessic Sense** , it’s in the pit so I guess it’s not against the rules. :rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/171 "2010-11-04T00:49:13Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Shit. I know, I know. But I had about 20 seconds to think of something that’s reoccuring, easily treatable, and nonfatal. I fudged the last part and hoped no one would notice. Well, you try it, Mr. Smarty Pants! 20 seconds…go. > > And I have no idea if it’d be lower than it is now. On the one hand, you’ve got things like the post office, which seem to run pretty smoothly and cheap. On the other, you’ve got programs like just about every transit system in a major city (at least the cities I’ve lived in, anyway) that is always broke, mechanically and fiscally. I trust the government with my money as far as I can throw the Capitol building. So while they _say_ it’ll be cheaper, I highly doubt that it will pan out that way. That’s why I said upthread that “I highly doubt” people will like it in a few years. Well, I might go with hypertension, but then again, I would probably devote 10 of the 20 seconds to typing “treatable medical conditions” into a search engine such as google so that I could bolster my argument. As far as the effect of people with chronic illnesses without HCI that use ER’s for all of their needs, here’s a nice link that could be enlightening: [2005 article](http://www.super-solutions.com/BabyBoomersTurnGray.asp) > [@](#): > > The poor health and premature deaths of people without health insurance costs the nation between $65 billion and $130 billion annually, according to a study conducted by the Institute of Medicine. Other studies estimate the percent of uncollected health care bills represent as much as a 33 percent drop in revenue for hospitals. Some of the cost is absorbed by hospitals and physicians as bad debt or charity care; the remainder is shifted to you and me in the form of inflated costs to private insurance companies and federally and state-funded government programs. The net result is an increase in the cost of health care for those who can afford to pay. This finite amount of money available to pay for health care services restricts the amount of health care available to the entire population. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/172 "2010-11-04T00:56:27Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > I’ll tell those panhandling 18-year olds the same thing I tell everyone bitching about not having a job: The Army’s hiring. If you really want government spending to go down, you should be actively _discouraging_ people from going into military service. Where do you think the money for soldiers’ pay comes from? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/173 "2010-11-04T01:00:17Z")
Not to mention all those pesky veteran’s benefits. At least for a while longer. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/174 "2010-11-04T01:16:50Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > On the one hand, you’ve got things like the post office, which seem to run pretty smoothly and cheap. The USPS runs [several billion dollars in the red each year.](http://www.apwu.org/dept/presvp/magart-10may.htm) There’s talk of doing away with Saturday service as a way to stop the bleeding, but cutting the hourly guys’ wages is not going over well with the APWU. > [@](#): > > On the other, you’ve got programs like just about every transit system in a major city (at least the cities I’ve lived in, anyway) that is always broke, mechanically and fiscally. I trust the government with my money as far as I can throw the Capitol building. So while they _say_ it’ll be cheaper, I highly doubt that it will pan out that way. That’s why I said upthread that “I highly doubt” people will like it in a few years. Why do you hate America? ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/175 "2010-11-04T01:18:08Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > If you really want government spending to go down, you should be actively _discouraging_ people from going into military service. Where do you think the money for soldiers’ pay comes from? A US Army platoon and a US Senators’ staff are roughly equivalent in size, with the staff maybe having less people. How do you think the payroll compares? So what is your fucking point? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/176 "2010-11-04T01:23:38Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Commie fascist liberals, the lot o’ ya. 😃 That’s cute. Doesn’t answer the question, but, ya know, cute. I’d still like an explanation for how it clearly disputes this: > [@Chessic Sense](#): > > I do think that people only care about their local community and the people they know. They care about their families and friends. They care about their church or their social club. They care about their favorite restaurant and the bowling alley. And that’s about it. If this were true, there would BE no ‘liberals’. Essentially, you’ve projected your failure of imagination onto all of humanity. Not cute. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/177 "2010-11-04T01:26:58Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > That’s cute. Doesn’t answer the question, but, ya know, cute. Are you still bitter because no one wants to rape you? Sheesh, some women. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/178 "2010-11-04T01:28:25Z")
Oh darn! I seem to have missed the hijack again. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/179 "2010-11-04T01:39:21Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > You want more examples of fear-mongering? Look no further than this post right here. We’ve got “20% unemployment”? No, it’s [9.6%](http://www.dol.gov/) (right hand side) as of last month. You realize that the quoted unemployment rate you see in the newspapers and financial websites is merely reflective of those who are looking for work, but can’t find any, right? That the actual effective unemployment rate (which includes those of age who have stopped looking) always is much higher? > [@](#): > > Then there’s “We’ll all be dead in 50 years if you elect Republicans.” You want some lies? How about that we’re “enslaved” by a “big business system”, when the reality is that the American people and American corporations are one in the same? Who do you think pays your paycheck and gives you the ability to buy a DVD player for $40? They aren’t one and the same-many corporations, to name just one aspect, are based overseas and don’t primarily consist of US citizens. If the ability of said foreign corporations to buy elections, thanks to _Citizen’s United_, doesn’t scare you, I don’t know what else to tell you. As for the environment…you should be afraid-_very_ afraid; this “fearmongering” retort is just empty rhetoric-would you call someone who warned you of an incoming tsunami a “fearmongerer”? In addition to global warming and the associated effects (loss of those oxygen-producing and keystone of oceanic ecosystems phytoplankton being just one of many), we’ve got eroding soils (oops no more crops), exhausting of various vital resources (including but most definitely not limited to oil-helium may run out in 20 years or so, and there’s also the loss of many water tables), overpopulation, and far too many others to list. The fact is that modern civilization has been borrowing far too heavily for far too long from our planet-and the bill is about to come due sooner or later, just like a reckless driving inveterate drunk will end up wrapped around a telephone poll, sooner or later-just cause he hasn’t yet is no reason to conclude he never will. I realize the above involves facts, and you apparently are a rather fact-challenged person, but you, along with everyone else, is going to get hit with that huge tidal wave at some point, and it won’t be pretty. Perhaps then you’ll realize just how deeply and perniciously you’ve been lied to-ah probably the fuck not. Continue living in your dream fucking world and voting for your most mortal enemies while thinking they’re your “friends.” ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326/180 "2010-11-04T01:40:41Z")
Though I’m not a Republican, I’m not upset. If the Repubs actually _ **do** _ defund Obamacare and shrink the size of the government, then it’s a good thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-voters/559326.md?page=10)