# Fuck you, Walloon **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 24, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219 "2007-01-24T09:07:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/21 "2007-01-25T02:24:03Z")
Both of ya’ll need to lighten the hell up. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/22 "2007-01-25T02:32:20Z")
[QUOTE=Ensign Edison] Well, I like movies as much as lissener does, and Billy Wilder more, and I’d never managed to see it at all. Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, it certainly counts as being worth a thread noting its broadcast. Walloon seemed to be implying otherwise, which is clearly incorrect. [/quote] I didn’t get that sense of Walloon’s post. > [@](#): > > His tone was also obviously intended to bait lissener, so none of this “oh, lissener’s bitchin’ again” bullshit. Pitting is the appropriate response to the kind of people who like to poke sticks at caged bears. I’d be extremely surprised if Walloon was baiting anyone. Don’t think I’ve ever noticed that in any posts on the boards. Just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/23 "2007-01-25T02:39:48Z")
[QUOTE=samclem] I’d be extremely surprised if Walloon was baiting anyone. Don’t think I’ve ever noticed that in any posts on the boards. Just my opinion. [/QUOTE] I’ll retract the ‘obviously’, then. But I’m not sure how else to construe his sudden attack of the sarcasms. Maybe it’s his normal tone. The sense I got was not just that he was correcting lissener, but expressing derision for lissener for having been wrong in the first place. Doing that outside of the Pit seems like baiting to me, and when someone who people love to bait is the target…but if I’m wrong, then I’m sorry, Walloon. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/24 "2007-01-25T03:03:22Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] So when you said: and Walloon answered that yes they have twice already [/QUOTE] Yes, eight years ago, and ten years ago. And I still don’t know where in the hell he tracked that down, and I’m still amazed that he was able to track down that bit of arcana; I was unable to find anything to contradict my assumption–formed after 7 years of waiting for this to show up on TCM–that, like many other such movies, it was a “TCM premiere.” I don’t think I expressed a problem with Walloon’s amusingly OCD efforts in tracking down an eight-year-old bit of esoterica just to show me up. I acknowledged the “mistake” in the linked thread. [QUOTE=CarnalK] You start getting pissy and say “thanks for confirming my point”, despite that he had just refuted your point. [/QUOTE] No, pissy is “why the hell are busting my balls by splitting such arcane hairs?” Thanking him for proving how rarely the film is shown–i.e., not for 8 years on TCM–was my very explicitly \*not \* being pissy. Though I grant it took some effort. [QUOTE=CarnalK] In response to that, Walloon mentioned a whole bunch of other places it showed up, thereby disproving your _ad hoc_ rebuttal of his first point. [/QUOTE] Well, no; he was trying to make me look stupid, but as I and others have pointed out, he succeeded only in proving how rarely this movie is available for viewing: once in 10 years on TMC; twice in 10 years on TCM; thrice in NYC in 9 years; etc. I could have used exactly the same “statistics” to prove beyond an arguable doubt that this one hard fucking movie to see. The fact that Walloon so illogically holds up those statistics to suggest that it’s not hard to see is bizarre and irrational, and suggests a darker motive. Hence the pitting. [QUOTE=CarnalK] And we’re off to the Pit! Don’t you DARE point out how wrong lissener is!! [/QUOTE] Yeah, I was wrong when I assumed from the evidence available to me that this would be a TCM premiere, when in fact it was shown on TCM eight friggin years ago. What a triumph of ignorance fighting. (I can’t even believe we’re going to the make on this, especially since I acknowledged the “mistake” and thanked him for his arcana; I never argued with him on the facts.) [QUOTE=CarnalK] Walloon properly put your eye-rolling conspiracy crap in it’s place after you started this Pit thread. Seems pretty clear = wild speculation, huh? [/QUOTE] Whatever, fucktard. “Seems” = speculation. How would you react any differently if I had argued with his findings, instead of accepted them, albeith with ironic humor that my conspiracy theory had been disproven. How is that worth your vitriol? I speculated a conspiracy theory, and immediately–and with good humor–accepted evidence to the contrary. Get a hobby, CarnalK; there’s nothing here to be such an asshole about. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/25 "2007-01-25T03:06:54Z")
And all this, while fascinating–really, really fascinating–is beside the point: I acknowledged immediately that it was simply my assumption, after 7 years of waiting, that this would be a “TCM premiere.” Walloon’s evidence to the contrary was immediately acknowledged. What he’s being pitted for is his bizarre and irrational contention that showing this movie 10 time in 10 years, from NY to LA, disproves my characterization of tonight’s broadcast as a rare opportuniy. What kind of agenda would you need to be driving to make that insane argument? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/26 "2007-01-25T03:10:57Z")
[QUOTE=lissener] What kind of agenda would you need to be driving to make that insane argument? [/QUOTE] To annoy you, knowing you’d likely give us another entertaining drama-queen display? That’d be my guess. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/27 "2007-01-25T03:56:43Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] To annoy you, knowing you’d likely give us another entertaining drama-queen display? That’d be my guess. [/QUOTE] _d’OH!!!_ ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/28 "2007-01-25T05:51:51Z")
[QUOTE=lissener] Yes, eight years ago, and ten years ago. And I still don’t know where in the hell he tracked that down, and I’m still amazed that he was able to track down that bit of arcana; I was unable to find anything to contradict my assumption–formed after 7 years of waiting for this to show up on TCM–that, like many other such movies, it was a “TCM premiere.” I don’t think I expressed a problem with Walloon’s amusingly OCD efforts in tracking down an eight-year-old bit of esoterica just to show me up. I acknowledged the “mistake” in the linked thread. No, pissy is “why the hell are busting my balls by splitting such arcane hairs?” Thanking him for proving how rarely the film is shown–i.e., not for 8 years on TCM–was my very explicitly \*not \* being pissy. Though I grant it took some effort. Well, no; he was trying to make me look stupid, but as I and others have pointed out, he succeeded only in proving how rarely this movie is available for viewing: once in 10 years on TMC; twice in 10 years on TCM; thrice in NYC in 9 years; etc. I could have used exactly the same “statistics” to prove beyond an arguable doubt that this one hard fucking movie to see. The fact that Walloon so illogically holds up those statistics to suggest that it’s not hard to see is bizarre and irrational, and suggests a darker motive. Hence the pitting. Yeah, I was wrong when I assumed from the evidence available to me that this would be a TCM premiere, when in fact it was shown on TCM eight friggin years ago. What a triumph of ignorance fighting. (I can’t even believe we’re going to the make on this, especially since I acknowledged the “mistake” and thanked him for his arcana; I never argued with him on the facts.) Whatever, fucktard. “Seems” = speculation. How would you react any differently if I had argued with his findings, instead of accepted them, albeith with ironic humor that my conspiracy theory had been disproven. How is that worth your vitriol? I speculated a conspiracy theory, and immediately–and with good humor–accepted evidence to the contrary. Get a hobby, CarnalK; there’s nothing here to be such an asshole about. [/QUOTE] Get a hobby? You mean like obsessively waiting for movies to appear on television and resigning myself to a lifetime of wage slavery? Then get ragingly pissed about the merest of slights on a message board? No thanks, loser, wouldn’t want to steal your thunder. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/29 "2007-01-25T05:55:39Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] Get a hobby? You mean like obsessively waiting for movies to appear on television and resigning myself to a lifetime of wage slavery? Then get ragingly pissed about the merest of slights on an message board? No thanks, loser. [/QUOTE] Thanks, that was my first laugh out loud moment in this silly childish clusterfuck. You realy have absolutely zero self-awareness, do you? You certainly appear incapable of accurately, levelheadedly describing the situation you find yourself in, and have to insert entirely fictional adverbs like “obsessively” and “ragingly,” made of whole cloth and straw, in order to have something to feel superior about. It’s rare that I laugh \*at \* someone on these boards that I should more properly pity, so thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/30 "2007-01-25T05:58:11Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] You mean like obsessively waiting for movies to appear on television [/QUOTE] He didn’t wait. Can’t you read? He went forth and found what he wanted, accepted that its quality was poor, but was happy just to have it, and then he took the time to let anybody else would might be happy to see it know they had a chance. Gee, better piss on that parade real fast! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/31 "2007-01-25T06:00:12Z")
Who do you think you’re fooling? You started a Pit thread because Walloon pointed out multiple flaws in your paranoid laden gushing over a movie - that Walloon actually agreed with about quality-wise. If you honestly think I’m the guy who needs to get a fucking grip then you are truly hopeless. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/32 "2007-01-25T06:09:47Z")
Last word. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/33 "2007-01-25T07:13:21Z")
**lissener** , I happen to like a lot of your input in CS, but sometimes you come off as an oversensitive twit when you get a little shit/disagreement from somebody. Why does this bug you so much? This is just a message board. We are all anonymous idiots posting anonymous bullshit from all over the planet. Do you expect candy and flowers from every post? Get real. **Walloon** can be a bit tedious. So fucking what. If we were discussing Kubrick over a beer and disagreed about something, would you throw your beer at me and march out in a huff? Nobody here knows who I am boardwise, and I don’t care, but I know who you all are, been here a hundred years, so quit fucking whining and understand that NOT EVERYBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT YOUR MOVIE SHIT, AND THAT’S OK. The SDMB is a diversion, entertainment, a time-killer. Keep things in perspective. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/34 "2007-01-25T07:22:03Z")
My sentiments exactly; I agree 100% with everything you said about discussions about movies. You’ll note, however, that Walloon’s hijack was not about the movie, but about whether I was exaggerating when I called it rare. Again, as is often the case in such discussions, Walloon and I agree on the movie: this entire discussion has been about his personally (if only mildly) insulting sarcasm about _me_, not about the movie. If you cared (which of course I know you don’t) you could search back over all of the scraps I’ve ever gotten into in CS, and 100% of them have NOT been about the movie under discussion, but about another poster insulting me personally for holding whatever opinion I’ve shared. I have NEVER gotten into a fight over an opinion; ONLY over people insulting me. Walloon’s OCD factchecking was not about the movie, but about my assumption that it had never been shown on TCM, and that it was a difficult movie to see; his sarcasm made that eminently clear. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/35 "2007-01-25T08:22:11Z")
Well shit on a hickory stick dude, if you feel you are “insulted” over an opinion, why the fuck do you even post on the net? Especially posting in the fucking Pit. How the fuck can you be insulted by anonymous text on a fucking message board? I don’t know how old you are, or your work/life experience, but a word of advice, grow some balls and a thicker skin or life is gonna fuck you every day dude. Of course I mean that in a nice way. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/36 "2007-01-25T14:46:54Z")
A minor disagreement on the definition of “rarely,” (and personally, I do believe this movie is not shown frequently enough relative to its merits. But who knows - maybe Billy Wilder wanted it that way. All his later movies have a cynically inserted element of sentimentality. Or maybe Kirk Douglass wanted it suppressed, since it shows his ignoble Natalie-Wood-raping side. We just don’t know). I do recall starting a thread asking about the lyrics to the “Hut-Sut” song after hearing it in this movie, and I registered in 2000. Thankfully, no injuries were reported and no Verhoevens were involved. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/37 "2007-01-25T15:23:34Z")
[QUOTE=lissener] … You’ll note, however, that Walloon’s hijack was not about the movie, but about whether I was exaggerating when I called it rare… [/QUOTE] You’ve got to be shitting me. This rant is about whether or not a movie should be considered “rare”? Or more specifically, that someone disagreed with you about whether or not a movie should be considered “rare”? On the 1 to 10 scale of Great Pit Rants, this scores a big fat goose egg. I’m not sure if this is _the_ lamest rant of all time, but it’s gotta be in the bottom ten. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/38 "2007-01-25T16:25:00Z")
Hey, **Walloon** , if you’re reading, here’s a bit of feedback. You’re using the SDMB like a chat room. If all your posts in the original thread had been combined into one, including documentation on places/times the film has been shown, and the documentation on why it hasn’t been shown, and your comments on other films which are more rarely shown and arguably merit more screen time, that would be more like a message board post versus a chat room exchange. You could have made one definite statement, provided a reasonably comprehensive, fact-based background of the topic, and probably not gotten entangled with **lissener** at all. The post would have added to the thread but not detracted in the way multiple posts(and the obvious opportunity for a persecution complex to rear its ugly head) did. If baiting **lissener** was your goal, then I suggest getting a more positive hobby. If you really do have a list of movies with the kind of data you pulled for “Ace in the Hole” in the other thread. Where they’ve been shown, when, how frequently, the movie’s awards/nominations, etc. covering theaters around the entire country and dozens of cable/broadcast channels, for NINETEEN YEARS, here’s my suggestion. Immediately print two copies. Send the first to TCM with your compliments. Shove the second up your ass, cause anal retention issues of that magnitude require serious countermeasures. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/39 "2007-01-25T22:28:43Z")
[QUOTE=Slithy Tove] Or maybe Kirk Douglass wanted it suppressed, since it shows his ignoble Natalie-Wood-raping side. We just don’t know). [/QUOTE] Douglas mentions the movie positively in his autobio _The Ragman’s Son_, so I kinda doubt it. Besides, he made a whole career out of playing ignoble. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2007, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219/40 "2007-01-26T03:57:00Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] You’ve got to be shitting me. This rant is about whether or not a movie should be considered “rare”? Or more specifically, that someone disagreed with you about whether or not a movie should be considered “rare”? On the 1 to 10 scale of Great Pit Rants, this scores a big fat goose egg. I’m not sure if this is _the_ lamest rant of all time, but it’s gotta be in the bottom ten. [/QUOTE] **lissener** is absurdly over-sensitive to contradiction, jumping to the conclusion that someone thinks he is “lying” just because they disagree with him. It’s particularly ironic that in the OP, he accuses **Walloon** of thinking he is lying, then implies that \*\*Walloon \*\* is lying about how many times \*\*Walloon \*\* has seen the movie. **lissener** did the same thing to me, accusing me of thinking he was lying when I had never said so, but in that case it led to me Pitting him - my one and only Pit thread. He left the boards for two months after that. When I saw him back I had the faint hope that maybe he had gone through some self-examination and might possibly refrain from continuing to take offense at others in such a ludicrously over the top way, but I guess not. [QUOTE=lissener] I’ve had an awful lot of Dopers argue with me simply for the sake of arguing; I initiate very few posts in CS anymore because invariably someone decides the cool kids will invite them to their table if they pick a fight with lissener. But this is the single most bewildering such case I have yet experienced. [/QUOTE] This is particularly pathetic. **lissener** here has chosen to take severe offense at what at worse is some annoying behavior on \*\*Walloon’s \*\* part, and then accuses other people of picking fights with him. In the course of my Pit thread, I came to the conclusion that \*\*lissener \*\* was actually delusional with respect to his idea that people are out to get him. I mean this as an observation rather than an insult. He can’t seem to comprehend how it’s actually his own behavior that brings on a lot of the grief he gets here. **lissener** seems to want respect around here, but doesn’t know how to get it. Surely pitting someone else over a triviality is not the way to do it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-walloon/389219.md?page=3)