# Fuck your cross tattoos, and fuck your giant gold/diamond crosses **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281 "2005-11-16T07:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/41 "2005-11-17T22:32:34Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Some do. Men from my generation are often circumcised regardless of religious background. It was routinely done as a hygiene measure. I did my own when my rugby team won. Go Spartans!! ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/42 "2005-11-18T00:30:49Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Now it’s clear. The real problem is that you aren’t buff, don’t get invited to parties, and have no realistic hopes of ever losing your virginity. I hope this is some kind of joke and not a genuine suggestion that I’ve made my comments on gaudy, rediculous religous ornamentation out of bitterness and jealousy. Otherwise your remark is really pretty presumptuous. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/43 "2005-11-18T00:42:57Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > I hope this is some kind of joke and not a genuine suggestion that I’ve made my comments on gaudy, rediculous religous ornamentation out of bitterness and jealousy. > > Otherwise your remark is really pretty presumptuous. And Lord knows, presumptivness is the _last_ thing we want in this thread! ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/44 "2005-11-18T00:58:29Z")
“I’ll take irony for $200, Alex”. > [@Argent Towers](#): > > Otherwise your remark is really pretty presumptuous. ---
**Author:** ![VegemiteMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/df788c/32.png) [@VegemiteMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VegemiteMoose)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/45 "2005-11-18T05:46:24Z")
Hey **Argent Towers** , you know what would be so cool !?! Get a tattoo saying “ **I’m a Judgmental Prick** ” right across your forehead. That way you could fight hypocrisy and induldge your love of tattoos at the same time. Win-win situation! ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/46 "2005-11-18T07:56:01Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > I hope this is some kind of joke and not a genuine suggestion that I’ve made my comments on gaudy, rediculous religous ornamentation out of bitterness and jealousy. I’d say a little from Column A, a little from Column B. Myself, I think you made them because you’re a pompous idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/47 "2005-11-18T12:18:07Z")
> [@Case Sensitive](#): > > I’d say a little from Column A, a little from Column B. Myself, I think you made them because you’re a pompous idiot. PS _My_ ink, proudly displayed on my right arm, depicts a svastika {kindly note the spelling} incorporated with a fractured yin/yang and a spiral. The meaning is intensely personal, and you can stick it up your arse for nothing and fuck off for free. Love, Case ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/48 "2005-11-19T04:10:37Z")
How do a svastika and swastika differ, **Case Sensitive**? Is it an attempt to neutralize its co-opting by the Nazi party or is it something more significant? [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) and wikipedia both say it’s just a spelling variant. ---
**Author:** ![ImaginalDisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e57/32.png) [@ImaginalDisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ImaginalDisc)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/49 "2005-11-19T14:48:40Z")
It is a spelling varient, but the conote different things. The svastika is an ancient religious symbol with menaing in India, Tibet, and even some Native American cultures. I have a Navajo rug with similar symbols. THe nazis used a variet of the traditional symbol that’s a mirror image. Just because the Nazi appropriated something doesn’t make that thing evil. Hitler was a vegetarian and I don’t see people running around telling vegetarians that they’re Nazis by association. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/50 "2005-11-19T15:27:30Z")
I also believe the ancient Japanese used the symbol, and to this day it has a significant representation in their most preserved displays of architecture. Sam ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/51 "2005-11-19T15:54:33Z")
> [@ImaginalDisc](#): > > It is a spelling varient, but the conote different things. The svastika is an ancient religious symbol with menaing in India, Tibet, and even some Native American cultures. I have a Navajo rug with similar symbols. THe nazis used a variet of the traditional symbol that’s a mirror image. This is a hijack now, but why would you say the Nazis used a “mirror image”? That’s just not true; the swastika (you can spell it however you want) was uusually used in Hindi and Navajo imagery with the arms bent in the clockwise direction, like the Nazis used. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/52 "2005-11-19T16:18:38Z")
> [@inkleberry](#): > > I want a pork menorah! If you make one, I know somebody at [The Brooklyn Museum](http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_4_sndgs02.html)… ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/53 "2005-11-19T20:13:00Z")
> [@ImaginalDisc](#): > > Hitler was a vegetarian and I don’t see people running around telling vegetarians that they’re Nazis by association. Actually…I have a friend who does. I think he just hates vegitarians. ---
**Author:** ![ImaginalDisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e57/32.png) [@ImaginalDisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ImaginalDisc)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/54 "2005-11-19T20:56:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > This is a hijack now, but why would you say the Nazis used a “mirror image”? That’s just not true; the swastika (you can spell it however you want) was uusually used in Hindi and Navajo imagery with the arms bent in the clockwise direction, like the Nazis used. Actually, we’re both wrong. swastikas with a counter clockwise spiral seem to be as common as the opposite. Navajo Swastikas (not the only tribe to use the symbol) [http://antiques-internet.com/colorado/adobewalls/dynapage/PP03.htm](http://antiques-internet.com/colorado/adobewalls/dynapage/PP03.htm) Bhuddist Swastikas > **[Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions](https://www.answers.com/redirectSearch?query=schools-of-buddhism)** > > Answers is the place to go to get the answers you need and to ask the questions you want Hindu Swastikas [http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer\_birodkar/hindu\_history/omkar.html](http://www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/omkar.html) /hijack Sorry about that. We now return you to your regulararly scheduled rant. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/55 "2005-11-19T21:33:30Z")
> [@ImaginalDisc](#): > > It is a spelling varient, but the conote different things. The svastika is an ancient religious symbol with menaing in India, Tibet, and even some Native American cultures. I have a Navajo rug with similar symbols. THe nazis used a variet of the traditional symbol that’s a mirror image. Just because the Nazi appropriated something doesn’t make that thing evil. Hitler was a vegetarian and I don’t see people running around telling vegetarians that they’re Nazis by association. How you drew the conclusion that I was calling **Case Sensitive** a Nazi by association is beyond me as I’m well aware of its history before its appropiation by the Third Reich and if you will read my post, you’ll notice I flatly stated it was co-opted. All I asked was why the _v_’s substitution for the _w_ was so significant that he felt the need to point it out. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/56 "2005-11-19T22:14:15Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > How you drew the conclusion that I was calling **Case Sensitive** a Nazi by association is beyond me as I’m well aware of its history before its appropiation by the Third Reich and if you will read my post, you’ll notice I flatly stated it was co-opted. All I asked was why the _v_’s substitution for the _w_ was so significant that he felt the need to point it out. Relax, I didn’t draw the slightest inference that you were accusing me of Nazism. I’m aware that both spellings are equally valid; I just chose the “v” over the “w” to de-emphasise the Nazi connotations, and to try and forestall accusations of Nazism. 🙂 Yeah, at least in the Northern Indian tradition, which mine is patterned on, the arms of a swastika can go clockwise or anti-clockwise, although each carries different connotations: [this site](http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/svastika.htm) has some good information on the topic, while [this one](http://www.falundafa.org.il/ver_01/english/wan_eng.htm) has some good examples {with pictures} of the swastika motif being used by various cultures. Now all I need is **Argent Towers** to come in and accuse me of blasphemy and cultural imperialism for appropriating an ancient Indian religious symbol. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/57 "2005-11-19T22:41:08Z")
I was never concerned that you or anyone else would infer an accusation from my post which is why I was surprised that **ImaginalDisc** evidently did. And thanks for the explanation. It was as I assumed. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/58 "2005-11-20T04:30:58Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I’m far from being a biblical scholar, but a few minutes of browsing Wikipedia indicates that gentiles are not bound by > [Halacha but rather by Noahide law.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_law) which doesn’t reference tattoos. So a Star of David would be right out, but I think a cross is perfectly fine. So, “all denominations of Jews hold” I’m not obligated to follow Halakha law but I am required to follow Noahide laws… … . Remind me to send them a letter thanking them for their opinion. Typical religion: It isn’t enough for them to tell their own people what to do they figure it gives them the right to tell everyone else what to do, too. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/59 "2005-11-20T05:39:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Now all I need is Argent Towers to come in and accuse me of blasphemy and cultural imperialism for appropriating an ancient Indian religious symbol. Now all we need is that dickweed to come in here at all…seems like it was your typical “Rant ‘n’ Run”… Sam ---
**Author:** ![Kaotic\_Newtral](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71e660/32.png) [@Kaotic\_Newtral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaotic_Newtral)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2005, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281/60 "2005-11-20T06:17:54Z")
I figure I’m old enough to realize what I want adorning my skin, I’m 36. I have 3 of the 8 or so tattoos I’m going to have and I’ve thought them out fairly carefully. Mine are basically a theme that can be seen by the world…I have a Celtic, a Hindu, and a Christian tattoo done. Next, I have a Native American, a Muslim a Buddhist and an old-style Roman coming. To me, they mean…God is to big for one religion. I sincerely believe that. …and they mean something to me. It’s just me though, think of me what you’d like. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-your-cross-tattoos-and-fuck-your-giant-gold-diamond-crosses/331281.md?page=4)