# Fucked up parents in Waco **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537 "2004-03-04T16:51:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/1 "2004-03-04T16:51:37Z")
[link](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4442686/) I am embarrassed that this has happened in the state I call home. > [@](#): > > CRAWFORD, Texas - Why are folks in this conservative Texas town where President Bush has his ranch so mad at the Girl Scout organization? > > Planned Parenthood and sex education. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Parents were upset to learn that the local Girl Scout organization had given a “woman of distinction award” last year to a Planned Parenthood executive. :mad: That seems more than a little fucked up to me. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/2 "2004-03-04T19:29:44Z")
I hate when people bitch about Planned Parenthood. When I was poor it was the only kind of health care I could get. Same with many other women. Aargh. IT’S NOT ALL ABORTIONS, FOLKS! Ok. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/3 "2004-03-04T19:33:11Z")
This is the quote that kills me: > [@](#): > > Some 400 to 700 fifth- through ninth-graders attend the half-day Nobody’s Fool conference in Waco each July. The program never mentions abortion, according to Planned Parenthood. The youngsters receive a book with chapters on homosexuality and masturbation, as well as illustrations of couples having sex, people examining their naked bodies and a boy putting on a condom. > > Some Girl Scout mothers called it soft-core porn. > > **"It embarrassed me to look at it with my husband," said parent Shannon Donaldson.** It embarrassed her to look at it with _her husband?_ The poor shlub was probably hoping to god that the uptight, sexless bitch would get some ideas from it and actually participate during sex, rather than just lying there, so that he could maybe just once feel like he was fucking something other than a hunk of raw liver. Ms. Donaldson most likely masturbates to the book during the day while watching “Young and The Restless”, while hubby is off drumming up membership for the New Branch Davidian cult. What a bunch of dinkwads. ---
**Author:** ![smoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@smoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smoke)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/4 "2004-03-04T20:25:38Z")
They might be “dinkwads”, but I actually think their reactions are much more reasonable than most of the flame-worthy reactions that could have occurred. They simply removed their kids from something they disagreed with. They didn’t try to force their beliefs on everyone else, or pass legislation or anything. They simply did what I wish more people would do: acted in accordance with their own beliefs, without trying to trample those of others. I may disagree with their beliefs, but as long as they’re keeping them to themselves and theirs, it’s not major skin off my back. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/5 "2004-03-04T22:15:21Z")
I, for one, am happy to learn that Bush isn’t the biggest nutjob from Crawford, Tx. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/6 "2004-03-05T14:15:53Z")
I was born and raised in Waco. I don’t live there anymore. Any questions? (By the way, so was Steve Martin…) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/7 "2004-03-05T14:17:57Z")
Huh? Are Crawford and Waco the same place? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/8 "2004-03-05T16:02:01Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > Huh? Are Crawford and Waco the same place? According to Mapquest, Crawford is about 15 miles west of Waco. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/9 "2004-03-05T16:17:21Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > Huh? Are Crawford and Waco the same place? Well, they (\*\ ***Spiff** double checks and confirms that he is in the **BBQ Pit** ) are both hemorrhoids on the sphincter-hole of the nation, so metaphorically speaking … yeah, they are the same place. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/10 "2004-03-05T17:15:17Z")
> [@smoke](#): > > They didn’t try to force their beliefs on everyone else, or pass legislation or anything. If only that were true at the start. > [@](#): > > “The furor was started a few weeks ago by the leader of the anti-abortion group Pro-Life Waco, who sent out e-mails and ran ads on a Christian radio station urging people to boycott Girl Scout cookies because of the “cozy relationship” between the Girl Scouts and Planned Parenthood.” Although passive, radio advertising is still definitely a method of trying to force your beliefs on others. E-mailing, OTOH, is actively pushing your opinion onto people. But that part is neither here nor there, really – it looks like their attempted boycott has blown up right in their teensy-minded faces. The real tragedy here is this part: > [@](#): > > Because of the uproar, the Bluebonnet Council of Girl Scouts, which oversees troops in the Waco area and 13 other counties, announced last week that it would not be affiliated with Planned Parenthood sex-education programs this year. You don’t want your kids having anything to do with Planned Parenthood? Fine…it’s absolutely your right not to to have _your kids_ participate. But this kind of cave-in really burns me. The ironic thing is that the parents who would scream the loudest about this are the ones with kids that would benefit most from it. If you’re _that_ hung up on your kids actually finding out about s-e-x, then you _know_ their version of sex education is going be saying “don’t do it”. A nice sentiment, but a little lacking in realism. I know a woman who once told me she would talk to her daughter about sex when she felt “the child was ready for it”. Her _fifteen year-old_ daughter! Rude awakening alert coming… ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/11 "2004-03-05T19:02:34Z")
> [@Hal Briston](#): > > I know a woman who once told me she would talk to her daughter about sex when she felt “the child was ready for it”. Her _fifteen year-old_ daughter! Rude awakening alert coming… Oh hell yeah. I, being an in-you-face person, would have gotten right in her face, and said; “Guess what. Your fifteen year old girl is sexual. She was sexual when she was fifteen _months_ old and she’s sexual now. Do you think not talking about it is helping her with her sexuality? Would you hand her a cordless drill with no instruction booklet and ask her to build something?” ---
**Author:** ![Edlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8797f3/32.png) [@Edlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/12 "2004-03-06T12:23:56Z")
I don’t find some of the mothers reactions surprising at all. Girl Scouts were originally based on christian and patriotic values. I know this as a former Brownie, Girl Scout and leader for both of my daughters. It’s only more recently in its history that GS has become more politically correct. Here is a [cite](http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1081832/posts) for when these changes occurred. To be fair, GS still carries the impression from their known history that they still are christian based. The fact is, they aren’t any longer to the surprise of probably many. It shouldn’t shock any of you (who criticize these moms) that their christian values would be at odds with PP on some basic issues. I heartily agree that Jr. Girl Scouts who are are in grades 3 through 6 do not need training PP provides on sexual matters, as noted in the article. THAT is reality. **Chefguy** - you need to quite peeping into other people’s bedrooms. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2004, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/13 "2004-03-06T17:07:51Z")
Sixth graders don’t need to know anything about menstruation and sex? I guess that’s why one of my friends works for a home for troubled kids and has recently had to take two twelve year-old girls to the hospital to deliver their babies. Hell, even for me, explaining menstruation at 11 was two years too late. Lots of kids, by the time they’re 9 years old, have hit puberty, and by the time they’re 10 are doing things their parents think they don’t even know about yet. ---
**Author:** ![htns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@htns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/htns)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2004, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/14 "2004-03-08T00:01:51Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > According to Mapquest, Crawford is about 15 miles west of Waco. They’re both in the Fundie Pisstian Republics of Jeeeebus Undergod, controlled by the Department of Kill All Faggots, Wetbacks and Niggers, right? So what’s the difference? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/15 "2004-03-10T19:53:32Z")
The best part about this silly boycott is that Girl Scout cookie sales actually went UP because a lot of people actually bought more cookies to “pick up the slack”, so to speak. Either that or they increased the amount of that sweet, sweet, heroin they bake into every bite of a Thin Mint. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/16 "2004-03-11T20:52:19Z")
"Some 400 to 700 fifth- through ninth-graders attend the half-day Nobody’s Fool conference in Waco each July. The program never mentions abortion, according to Planned Parenthood. The youngsters receive a book with chapters on homosexuality and masturbation, as well as illustrations of couples having sex, people examining their naked bodies and a boy putting on a condom. " If some guy gave my fifth grade niece a book with a man putting rubber on his dick, he would be in the hospital. Just because a bunch of malignant leftwing cunts did it, doesn’t make it any more right. Period stuff is fine but teaching girls as young as fifth grade about diddling yourself, homosexuals, fucking, and rubbers without parental permission is a crock of shit. :mad: I like the macaroons. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/17 "2004-03-11T21:36:22Z")
> [@](#): > > “After I told my 10-year-old daughter that they are supporting some things that are not morally right, she understood.” Gee, what a great kid. I wish my child would take things I say as gospel. But then again, I wonder if that child actually was actually sat down and talked to about it, or whether it was a “Because I said SO!” type of deal. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/18 "2004-03-11T22:06:57Z")
> [@](#): > > I heartily agree that Jr. Girl Scouts who are are in grades 3 through 6 do not need training PP provides on sexual matters, as noted in the article. THAT is reality. Mom, dad, I’d like to thank you for not being FUCKING IDIOTS and teaching me about sex when I was 3, with “Where Did I Come From?” and then following it up in elementary school with pamphlets by Judy Blume and Ann Landers about my period and my parts. I’d also like to thank the various school programs and, yes, Girl Scout programs, that taught me about STDs, condoms, and pregnancy. I’m glad Mom, you didn’t mind when I was reading **Go Ask Alice** in 4th grade, and when I was reading **Our Bodies, Our Selves** in middle school. Period - 3rd grade Masturbation - 6th grade (and before, but that’s when I really got serious) Knew I was homosexual - All my life, but solidified 6th - 8th grade. 24 - Well adjusted, drug and disease-free, with a Masters Degree and a fantastic job as a librarian. And thinking kids have enough problems these days without their parents trying to create more. There’s a **reason** educators, the government, social organizations are interested in promoting good education at an early age. So the kids will have some sort of protection against their parents. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/19 "2004-03-12T15:04:30Z")
> [@](#): > > (Planned Parenthood) IS NOT ALL ABORTIONS, FOLKS! I agree, but to hard core pro-lifers, that’s like an Idi Amin supporter announcing, “HE’S NOT ALL GENOCIDE, FOLKS!” I read the article. Not real sure why the Girl Scouts are sponsoring a field trip where sex ed is discussed anyway. That’s just kinda bizarre, IMO. What happened to learning real life skills like how to build campfires from tinder? You know, in case your gas fireplace runs out of fuel. My daughter is in Girl Scouts. When she goes on a field trip, a permission slip is sent home along with an accompanying brochure. If the parents signed the permission slip without reading or understanding the agenda, then it’s their own fault that their kids were “exposed” to PP materials. However, if the leaders didn’t fully disclose what the agenda was to the parents, then they deserve to endure the wrath of the parents. ---
**Author:** ![emekthian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecae2f/32.png) [@emekthian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emekthian)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucked-up-parents-in-waco/232537/20 "2004-03-13T02:28:02Z")
> [@](#): > > The youngsters receive a book with chapters on homosexuality and masturbation, as well as illustrations of couples having sex, people examining their naked bodies and a boy putting on a condom. > > Some Girl Scout mothers called it soft-core porn. Um, where could I get a copy of this book? Just to see firsthand what these mothers are complaining about, of course.