# Fucking bitch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2008, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900 "2008-05-11T07:30:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/41 "2008-05-11T09:17:06Z")
[QUOTE=put down the sabre] Are you going to apologise for calling me a ‘limey pussy’, or do you stand by it? pdts [/QUOTE] Stop acting like a pussy and maybe I’ll reconsider thinking of you as one at a later date. If you’re not a limey then I retract that statement, but if you’ll tell me what you are I’d be glad to insult that country instead - if that’s what you’re looking for. I’m quite sure it’s full of tossers. ---
**Author:** ![put\_down\_the\_sabre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@put\_down\_the\_sabre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/put_down_the_sabre)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/42 "2008-05-11T09:20:20Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Stop acting like a pussy and maybe I’ll reconsider thinking of you as one at a later date. If you’re not a limey then I retract that statement, but if you’ll tell me what you are I’d be glad to insult that country instead - if that’s what you’re looking for. I’m quite sure it’s full of tossers. [/QUOTE] You are quite the belligerent moron. You and the woman I met tonight should hang out. I can’t decide if you’d love each other (you could talk about how persecuted you are, maybe) or hate each other (thanks to constantly offending each other). pdts ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/43 "2008-05-11T09:31:19Z")
[QUOTE=put down the sabre] You mangled the Churchill. The beauty of the Churchill quote is that he lets the second part hang. I suppose it takes a certain wit to pull off, though. [/QUOTE] This is the sort of arrogant pedantry I will not put up with. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/44 "2008-05-11T09:32:22Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I’m quite sure it’s full of tossers. [/QUOTE] Sheep-shaggers, too. ---
**Author:** ![put\_down\_the\_sabre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@put\_down\_the\_sabre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/put_down_the_sabre)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/45 "2008-05-11T09:32:29Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] This is the sort of arrogant pedantry I will not put up with. Idiot. [/QUOTE] up with which you will not put? pdts ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/46 "2008-05-11T09:40:22Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] If you’re not a limey then I retract that statement, but if you’ll tell me what you are I’d be glad to insult that country instead - if that’s what you’re looking for. I’m quite sure it’s full of tossers. [/QUOTE] Seemingly, this is what causes the disproportionate response: you can’t tell the difference between “not overtly positive observation” and “insult”. It’s odd. BTW, you are correct, the UK is indeed full of tossers. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/47 "2008-05-11T09:47:38Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] In my world, a bar conversation is not private, and you don’t talk shit when you’re the new kid. Different strokes for different folks and all that. [/QUOTE] I’ve had many a private conversation in bars; I’ve even negotiated a couple of jobs in bars, not to mention some buying and selling deals. But they were nice, quiet places where rude behavior wasn’t the norm. As for the OP, I would have been pissed off just at the words “Ekscuuuuussssse Meeee,” which is how they are generally pronounced by self righteous smart asses. ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Repair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a698b9/32.png) [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/48 "2008-05-11T09:55:51Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I would not respond with any negatives - not in public for sure… [/QUOTE] And the winner is … ---
**Author:** ![Carson\_O\_Genic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Carson\_O\_Genic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carson_O_Genic)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/49 "2008-05-11T10:36:42Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Cry me a fucking river. Maybe she was drunk and disorderly but she had a point regarding politeness - don’t criticize a place you’re visiting. Be it someone’s home, another state, or another country, it’s rude. [/QUOTE] People who interrupt conversations make no points regarding politeness. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/50 "2008-05-11T10:41:42Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] No you’re a wuss because you let some drunk bitch ruin your night. [/QUOTE] Yeah. A discussion about politics in a bar turned out badly. Who the fuck saw that coming? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/51 "2008-05-11T10:54:07Z")
A racist statement??? > [@](#): > > - Shut up, you Irish moron. I know lots of Irish morons. The OP was valid IMO. **Cisco** ’s being a stupid cunt. That said **put down the sabre** , you need to grow a few more layers of skin. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/52 "2008-05-11T10:54:26Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Stop right there. I would not respond with any negatives - not in public for sure, and probably not at all. I learned this lesson when I was very young and moved around a lot. As a “recent” (5 years) transplant to Arizona, this topic still comes up a lot, and sure there are things that annoy me about the place - pollution, traffic, awful summers, etc. - but my typical response is, “I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t love it.” [/QUOTE] You’ve been there for five _years_ and you’re afraid to criticize _Arizona_? You’re the wuss here. I don’t know why you think everyone in the entire fucking world is as overly sensitive to criticism as you seem to be. For the record, I have no more problem with foreigners criticizing America than I have with Americans doing so. Obviously, people’s opinions carry more weight when they have longer experience, but I don’t think there’s anything rude about having a polite conversation with friends. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/53 "2008-05-11T11:04:13Z")
Um, yeah. I’m kinda stunned by this “don’t criticize this country in public” attitude. Seriously, what the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/54 "2008-05-11T11:08:33Z")
Don’t forget that in this case the criticism was > [@](#): > > Was talking about how the Pledge of Allegiance and flag-fetish make me vaguely uncomfortable That’s not exactly going very far now is it? Anybody getting offended by that is a chest thumping idiot. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/55 "2008-05-11T11:31:51Z")
What I can’t understand is why the OP didn’t just tell the woman to mind her own business and stay out of what was a private conversation. Which is exactly what I’d have done ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/56 "2008-05-11T11:37:51Z")
[QUOTE=chowder] What I can’t understand is why the OP didn’t just tell the woman to mind her own business and stay out of what was a private conversation. Which is exactly what I’d have done [/QUOTE] Agreed. It was definitely not worth it to get into an argument. ---
**Author:** ![put\_down\_the\_sabre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@put\_down\_the\_sabre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/put_down_the_sabre)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/57 "2008-05-11T12:30:58Z")
[QUOTE=chowder] What I can’t understand is why the OP didn’t just tell the woman to mind her own business and stay out of what was a private conversation. Which is exactly what I’d have done [/QUOTE] That is what I should have done. But I just wasn’t thinking straight, for 2 reasons I guess: (1) I get very competitive in verbal argument, it’s a personality flaw, but it helps in my chosen discipline. (2) There was something in her tone or her wording which seemed to communicate a certain ‘how dare the victims of a monarchy criticise us, we invented freedom you know’ pride with an implication that I didn’t have the right to be in the US, and should leave rather than complain. I am a lawful resident of the United States, and it was very odd to hear (or perhaps imagine) that implication about one’s home. pdts ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/58 "2008-05-11T13:46:32Z")
> [@](#): > > **put down the sabre** said: > Sigh, why am I a wuss? Because I don’t like being called a ‘limey pussy’? Would it make you a wuss to not like being called a ‘Yank moron’? People from England refer to us as seppos. As in septic tanks. Calling you a limey pussy is pretty mild by comparison. > [@](#): > > **LouisB** said: > I’ve had many a private conversation in bars; I’ve even negotiated a couple of jobs in bars, not to mention some buying and selling deals. But they were nice, quiet places where rude behavior wasn’t the norm. So they probably weren’t college bars then? > [@](#): > > **yojimbo** said: > That’s not exactly going very far now is it? Anybody getting offended by that is a chest thumping idiot. What if I went to Canada and complained about the maple leaf flag being all over the place? Would they be justified in telling me to fuck off about how they demonstrate pride in their country? I think you kind of have to expect when you go to another country that you’re going to see people flying their own flag. I really don’t encounter the Pledge of Allegiance much. It’s not like people are out there reciting it like an oath in the street every morning, and they’re certainly not trying to force **sabre** to join in. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/59 "2008-05-11T13:59:49Z")
[QUOTE=catsix] What if I went to Canada and complained about the maple leaf flag being all over the place? Would they be justified in telling me to fuck off about how they demonstrate pride in their country? [/QUOTE] Would who be justified? A stranger butting in on a conversation you where having with your friends about how you find cultural differences in displays of patriotism somewhat strange? No they wouldn’t be justified. They’d be idiots. The American\* love of the flag and the Pledge are both strange to my Irish experience. I can totally see why a Brit would react the same way. The OP said it made him “vaguely uncomfortable” the way he portrayed it was more of a observation than a complaint or insult. \*Yeah I know I’m generalising but I honestly can’t think of a western nation that equals American in its in your face celebration of pride in your country. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900/60 "2008-05-11T14:24:06Z")
> [@](#): > > **yojimbo** said: > > \*Yeah I know I’m generalising but I honestly can’t think of a western nation that equals American in its in your face celebration of pride in your country. I think you watch too much television. There are people who are like that all the time, but y’know, I never see them except on television. We have the July 4th thing, and the Olympics ‘Go USA’, but I just don’t see people walking around every day saying the PoA and waving flags. There is a tendency to write tacky country songs about it, which nobody but country music fans care about. Other than that the only thing I can think of is that Americans have a tendency to be of the mind that ‘I can make fun of my sister, but you can’t.’ and band together when the criticism comes from abroad. I just doubt it’s really that much different anywhere else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bitch/448900.md?page=4)