# Fucking Bullshit - Enron

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 25, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190 "2006-05-25T16:30:45Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/21 "2006-05-25T17:17:03Z")

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[QUOTE=Giles]  
From [the Chicago Tribune](http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-060525enron-verdict,0,4027682.story?coll=chi-newsbreaking-hed) :  
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Who says that they only print the bad news?

For the record, this is Jebus, son of Og.

Daniel

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**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/22 "2006-05-25T17:20:06Z")

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[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar]  
Really? And how did you come to that conclusion?  
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Maybe, like you, the “Spirits” talk to him.

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**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/23 "2006-05-25T17:23:19Z")

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[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar]

[Quote=Jebus H. Christ]  
These guys did nothing illegal.  
[/Quote]  
Really? And how did you come to that conclusion?  
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Don’t bother - if past performance is any judge. **Jebus** will start an inflammatory first post, then we won’t see him again in the thread.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/24 "2006-05-25T17:34:37Z")

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C’mon guys, get off **Jebus** ’s back. It’s perfectly obvious that Skilling and Lay were convicted in the court of public opinion by the racist media long before this thing even went to trial.

What?

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**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/25 "2006-05-25T17:42:51Z")

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[QUOTE=askeptic]  
Maybe, like you, the “Spirits” talk to him.  
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:rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/26 "2006-05-25T17:43:02Z")

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And Nixon was taken down because the mainstream media was out to smear him for no good reason! And only racists believe Kobe Bryant had extra-marital sex!

You fucking retard.

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**Author:** ![Jebus\_H.Christ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jebus\_H.Christ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jebus_H.Christ)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/27 "2006-05-25T17:54:59Z")

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[QUOTE=Crotalus]  
Start perhaps with The Smartest Guys In The Room. If you come away from that experience spouting the same inane bullshit, please keep it to yourself.  
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I saw the movie. It was a hacket job. Only a little better than your average Michale Moore film.

What happened with Enron was questionable morally, but it was not illegal.

The government just went after them to take away coverage from the war.

It had nothing to do with racism.

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/28 "2006-05-25T18:02:48Z")

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[QUOTE=Jebus H. Christ]  
The government just went after them to take away coverage from the war./QUOTE]How amazingly prescient of them. The investigation and the bankruptcy filing happened before the war.

> [@](#):
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> It was a hacket job.

I think you mean hatchet job.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/29 "2006-05-25T18:07:15Z")

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[QUOTE=Jebus H. Christ]  
I saw the movie. It was a hacket job. Only a little better than your average Michale Moore film.

What happened with Enron was questionable morally, but it was not illegal.

The government just went after them to take away coverage from the war.

It had nothing to do with racism.  
[/QUOTE]

Tax fraud/evasion isn’t illegal? :dubious:  
And I believe the whole Enron fiasco started BEFORE we went to war.

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**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/30 "2006-05-25T18:07:35Z")

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[QUOTE=tdn]  
He ain’t _my_ personal savior, I’ll tell you that much.  
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You have

_Your own personal jesus  
Someone to hear your prayers  
Someone who cares  
Your own personal jesus  
Someone to hear your prayers  
Someone whos there_

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**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/31 "2006-05-25T18:08:30Z")

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[QUOTE=Guinastasia]  
Tax fraud/evasion isn’t illegal? :dubious:  
And I believe the whole Enron fiasco started BEFORE we went to war.  
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If you count the price gouging that led up to it, before we even elected the current administration.

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**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/32 "2006-05-25T18:09:51Z")

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[QUOTE=Zakalwe]

[QUOTE=Jebus H. Christ]  
The government just went after them to take away coverage from the war./QUOTE]How amazingly prescient of them. The investigation and the bankruptcy filing happened before the war.

I think you mean hatchet job.  
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No, no, no… it was Buddy Hackett that railroaded them.

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**Author:** ![Jebus\_H.Christ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jebus\_H.Christ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jebus_H.Christ)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/33 "2006-05-25T18:11:16Z")

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[QUOTE=Zakalwe]  
The investigation and the bankruptcy filing happened before the war.

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Kay was indicted on July 7, 2004.

Iraw War started in March 2003.

It was only after the war he was indicted.

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**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/34 "2006-05-25T18:11:51Z")

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[QUOTE=Zakalwe]

[QUOTE=Jebus H. Christ]  
The government just went after them to take away coverage from the war./QUOTE]How amazingly prescient of them. The investigation and the bankruptcy filing happened before the war.

I think you mean hatchet job.  
[/QUOTE]

Nahhh, Buddy Hacket set the whole thing up.

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**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/35 "2006-05-25T18:13:08Z")

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[QUOTE=Who\_me?]

[QUOTE=Zakalwe]

No, no, no… it was Buddy Hackett that railroaded them.  
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I must type faster, and then preview…

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**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/36 "2006-05-25T18:13:29Z")

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[QUOTE=Jebus H. Christ]  
It had nothing to do with racism.  
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Racism? Just what in the heck are you talking about?

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**Author:** ![Jebus\_H.Christ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jebus\_H.Christ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jebus_H.Christ)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/37 "2006-05-25T18:19:09Z")

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[QUOTE=lieu]  
Racism? Just what in the heck are you talking about?  
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This:

> [@](#):
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> C’mon guys, get off Jebus’s back. It’s perfectly obvious that Skilling and Lay were convicted in the court of public opinion by the racist media long before this thing even went to trial.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/38 "2006-05-25T18:21:56Z")

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**Jebus** , you say that they did not break the law. Which of the laws that they were accused of breaking, specifically, do you think that they followed, and why? Everything I’ve seen from this case overwhelmingly points to their specific guilt for breaking specific laws.

Daniel

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**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/39 "2006-05-25T18:23:44Z")

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Monkeys ate **Jebus’s** cranium.

Scooped it clean out it appears.

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**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-bullshit-enron/358190/40 "2006-05-25T18:25:13Z")

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I’m siding with **Jebus** here. I mean if you can’t screw your employees and small investors, what is the point of living in America? How is a guy supposed to make a buck?

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