Fucking Bullshit - Enron

Strictly my gut speaking here - I haven’t followed the trial very closely and my knowledge of the case is pretty much entirely from the documentary, occasional articles in the Houston Chronicle, and comments from friends in Texas - I think Skilling knew what was going on. I’m not as sure if Lay did, but it speaks poorly to his leadership if such egregious fraud was taking place under his nose.

On another note, the nonprofit I worked for after college had its headquarters in the Enron building on Smith Street in Houston. Nice lobby. I was there at least once a week for about two years. Do I get a prize?

What evidence do you offer that they were framed? I’m not looking for motivations for framing them, side-effects of framing them, possible methods for framing them, or anything like that: what evidence do you offer that they were framed?

Daniel

You are an embarassment to the internet.

These men profitted from falsifying legal documents. I believe, and Bricker can correct me if I’m wrong, that this is called FRAUD and it is illegal in all 50 states. Skilling was also nailed for insider trading, which is also illegal. The only railroading was of their employees and their investors. My only complaint was that Treasury took their sweet-ass time slapping an orange jumpsuit on Ken, but I also, having prepared expert testimony for financial cases before, know how time consuming building a case can be.

You’re forgetting about Michael Fastow, who was indicted in 2002.

Holy crap. I can’t believe that out of 5,000,000 sperm cells, you were the one that made it.

And I forgot to check to see if there’s a page 2.

What does Michael Corleone’s wife have to do with this?

“I know it was you, Fastow. You broke my heart!”

:smack: How could we have missed this? It’s pretty obvious, given the current aministration’s hatred of oil companies, that they would do anything to take Enron down. They love sticking it to the man.

That’s what makes it so perfect. Goeing after an oil company.

I, for one, will admit when I’m wrong. Jebus did come back for continued ass-hattery.

Jebus, if you are being forthright, pray, tell us what was the reasonable doubt introduced into testimony?

D_odds - a nit pick: Skilling beat the insider trading charge.

Stop saying the same thing over and over again and offer something to support your assertion besides “I said so.” Or just stop completely.

Skilling was convicted of insider trading, but on only one of 10 counts. See, the jury knew he was nine-tenths framed! :rolleyes:

Even a batshit clock is right twice a day.

Herman Goeing?

Whoops - I had heard Skilling only got the fraud and conspiracy charges. My bad.

Enron wasn’t an oil company, it started as a distributor of natural gas and electricity and builder of power and gas infrastructure. Oil was among the products the company traded, but that was it.

Whew, thought I misread the CNBC headline. Will be an interesting read in tomorrow’s WSJ.

Jebus

[Basil Fawlty]To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people![/Basil Fawlty]

Oh, and Don’t mention the war!

In a criminal trial, the jury is the finder of fact. They hear testimony, weigh evidence, resolve conflicts in the evidence, and reach a verdict.

This jury heard evidence and resolved any conflicts against the accused. They returned guilty verdicts.

So why are you asking me to substitute your judgement for the jury’s judgement? What do you know that the jury did not know?