# Fucking Dumbass Piece of Shit Spector Jury **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661 "2007-09-18T21:22:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![nonymouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb9ed0/32.png) [@nonymouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nonymouse)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/61 "2007-09-20T16:28:28Z")
[QUOTE=McNew] I’ve served on juries. I’m not surprised you haven’t, because the douchebags are generally weeded out during voir dire. [/QUOTE] But how did you get on one, then? Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/62 "2007-09-20T16:56:18Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] In California, the reasonable doubt language for juries appears to be set in case-law stone; People v. Freeman, 882 P.2d 249 (1994), and seems to have been codified in CALJIC No. 2.90: > [@](#): > > Reasonable doubt is defined as follows: It is not a mere possible doubt; because everything relating to human affairs is open to some possible or imaginary doubt. It is that state of the case which, after the entire comparison and consideration of all the evidence, leaves the minds of the jurors in that condition that they cannot say they feel an abiding conviction of the truth of the charge. I welcome correction or expansion of the point by someone more familiar with California law than I. [/QUOTE] This is the exact wording the judge has given the juries I have served on in California. (2 criminal trials, one being a murder trial) Oh, just one thought on expert witnesses. I do not have extensive experience but in the few trials where I have been on a jury. I have become to believe that you can get a “expert” witness to testify to damn near anything. I have seen ex-spurt witness testify to shit that is just flat impossible. There is a reason they are called hired guns. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/63 "2007-09-20T17:04:18Z")
Yes, but [most](http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/phil_spector/12.html) of Spector’s “hired guns” are very well respected in their fields, and their fields are what they were hired to testify on. Dr Baden (who yes, is married to one of Spector’s lawyers) had a moment of insight on the stand about the blood spatter and contents of Clarkson’s lungs. Judge Fidler was pissed about it because it was like the defense had sprung something on him and the prosecution, but I saw it as a scientist revising his conclusions based on the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/64 "2007-09-20T17:28:45Z")
[QUOTE=Gatopescado] And it works better if your rich and famous. [/QUOTE] Absolutely. Just like a lot of other things work better if you have wealth and (some sort of) power. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/65 "2007-09-20T18:45:44Z")
I think it’s good that people are wanting to give the jury of the benefit of the doubt in this case. Nothing grates on my nerves more than someone hundreds of miles away from the courtroom presuming to know the correct judgement. The juror’s job is not easy and they really don’t deserve to be called stupid or foolish or anything else by an armchair spectactor. I just wish this level of respect was given more often to jurors of high profile cases. Not just ones involving people like Blake and Spector. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/66 "2007-09-20T18:59:57Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] I wish we had the Scottish “not proven” over here. [/QUOTE] It is currently being debated whether we should do without the bastard verdict. [http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1341582004](http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1341582004) ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/67 "2007-09-20T19:04:44Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] But when one side is working for a millionaire then the other side is going to be outgunned. [/QUOTE] Sorry. And I thought the state had almost unlimited means and most defendants had severely limited means. Being a millionaire means that you can pay for the same sort of representation that the state has access to. Being poor means you are screwed. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661/68 "2007-09-26T20:54:58Z")
It’s officially a mistrial according to CNN. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-dumbass-piece-of-shit-spector-jury/419661.md?page=3)