# Fucking maskholes and vaxholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 14, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339 "2020-07-14T21:26:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/721 "2021-05-13T17:26:34Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > He’s too busy Fighting Ignorance here to … do much of anything else. Sadly, that’s too true. Although often I’m spreading ignorance, or at least tendentiousness, not fighting it. I tell my IRL friends I spend most of my awake time with my imaginary friends. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/722 "2021-05-13T20:11:58Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I tell my IRL friends I spend most of my awake time with my imaginary friends Me too ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/723 "2021-05-13T22:06:04Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Karen Sisco > > Yes! Man, it is so sad that there will never be a new Elmore Leonard release. I’m rereading _Pronto_ right now. I’ve read about half his novels, but I don’t own a single one of them! It’s been a quirk of mine to only read the ones I find as used paperbacks, and to recycle them back to the stores or free shelves where I found them. It would just feel wrong to have a whole shelf of Elmore just sitting there in my house. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/724 "2021-05-13T22:28:58Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > He’s too busy Fighting Ignorance And from Florida? @LSLGuy is an infiltrator behind enemy lines. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/725 "2021-05-14T01:33:11Z")
A maskhole on Jet Blue disobeyed the flight crew, then blew his nose into a blanket. He’s been fined $10,500 > **[A maskless airline passenger blew his nose into a blanket. He now faces a...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/05/12/faa-fine-mask-jetblue-covid/)** > > The latest fines come under the Federal Aviation Administration's "zero-tolerance policy" for passengers who disobey flight crew instructions. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/726 "2021-05-14T18:08:52Z")
On a flight from Florida? No way ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/727 "2021-05-14T18:34:56Z")
So possibly rapper Lil Pump. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/728 "2021-05-14T21:23:49Z")
I’m not sure the people I’m about to talk about are anti-maskers, but they are clearly anti-vaxxers, and I need to vent a bit. There’s my former youth pastor who pastors another church. He says he never says political things on Facebook, yet these have been the only posts that he’s made that come to my Wall since Biden became president. He’s freaking out that Biden told people that they need to be vaccinated. He misunderstood several facts, so I try to correct them. I did my usual explanation of why people do need to be vaxxed. Him being a Christian, I also include some Scripture to back me up, about putting others first. And his wife came back at me alleging I’d been “brainwashed by CNN” and said it was “scary.” Their replies are full of people saying they won’t get vaxxed. They are give that laughing emoji as a reply to anyone who thinks otherwise. It’s just so disheartening seeing people you used to respect ignore the very principles they taught you. As is the silence from others. The projection is just so strong on these people. Yet I have to tiptoe around to not try and alienate them, as the goal is to get them to listen and get vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/729 "2021-05-14T21:53:32Z")
I’m really sorry. I don’t think I could keep calm in a situation like that. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/730 "2021-05-14T23:02:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yet I have to tiptoe around to not try and alienate them, as the goal is to get them to listen and get vaccinated You cannot defeat their echo chamber. Now can you defeat the combined might of Putin, Xi, OANN, QAnon, Faux, Breitbart, Mr. MyPillow, etc. You’re spitting into a hurricane. Tell these people in clear terms that they have lost their minds, are unfit to be called Americans, and you’ll graciously accept their groveling apology when they come to their senses. But you won’t be waiting for it. Isolation is the only hope we have for the folks addicted to RW nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/731 "2021-05-15T00:24:35Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > when they come to their senses. Not gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/732 "2021-05-15T00:36:04Z")
Well I guess my question didn’t age well, did it? Apparently that time is yesterday. CDC finally said what all rational people already knew (like usual). Vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks. My company decided to lift their mask mandate and I’m sure other companies will follow suit soon. " Choosing Safer Activities - If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did prior to the pandemic. - Fully vaccinated people can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance. " and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/733 "2021-05-15T00:45:40Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > My company decided to lift their mask mandate For everyone? Or just the vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/734 "2021-05-15T00:54:43Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > Yet I have to tiptoe around to not try and alienate them, as the goal is to get them to listen and get vaccinated > > You cannot defeat their echo chamber. Now can you defeat the combined might of Putin, Xi, OANN, QAnon, Faux, Breitbart, Mr. MyPillow, etc. > > You’re spitting into a hurricane. > > Tell these people in clear terms that they have lost their minds, are unfit to be called Americans, and you’ll graciously accept their groveling apology when they come to their senses. But you won’t be waiting for it. > > Isolation is the only hope we have for the folks addicted to RW nonsense. That seems like a bad idea. It seems to be shooting myself in the foot. It has no long term upsides. First off, even if the chances of convincing them are small, they’re not zero. The only way to guarantee failure is to not even try. Second, just because I can’t convince _them_ doesn’t mean I might not convince someone else. But the big thing is that Facebook is **public** , under my own name. Everything I say there has social consequences. I can’t be seen as that sort of colossal dick. I can’t myself be seen to undermine those morals principles I’m talking about. The reason I feel okay with doing so here in the Pit is that this is a forum specifically for venting. It’s understood that we’re blowing off steam. We’re expected to sometimes come in here and say mean things to someone, and then go back and talk to them like nothing happened. The social expectations are different. Maybe the expectations are also different where you live. But I live in the Bible Belt, where we’re all supposed to be at least superficially nice. And part of the moral principles I am talking about are the ones where we’re supposed to love everyone. Other people may choose to become extremely hateful while pretending to still be a Christian, but I do my best not to. One of the reasons that Trump’s support among these people surprised me is how big of an asshole he is. If he was this nice guy with the same general policies, using passive aggression to attack liberals, then I’d at least understand how they could fall for him. They taught me not to be an asshole, but then fall over to worship this one. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/735 "2021-05-15T01:06:46Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > CDC finally said what all rational people already knew (like usual). No. That’s not what happened at all. The CDC said something rather unexpected. And the fact that your company is interpreting it as a reason to lift that mask mandate altogether rather than just on those who are vaccinated is exactly why. The last thing we want is for people to stop getting vaccinated. We need them to get vaccinated to keep the virus from mutating to escape the vaccines. That’s part of the reason for keeping the mask mandate: so that those who don’t have a vaccine are still inconvenienced. If everyone, not just the vaccinated, start pulling off their masks, everything I’ve seen says that infections will then go up. I will be very happy if the CDC has **data** showing otherwise, but I’m not risking it for a few weeks, to see the effects. It’s not like other organizations who thought they knew what they are doing is wrong. Any responsible organization would only allow masks to be not be worn by the vaccinated, and would require some level of proof that this has occurred. Only after waiting a bit would they drop the requirement. And, again, if you are in any way sick, not even with symptoms of COVID, you’d better wear a mask. The CDC already says anyone with COVID masks or traveling has to wear a mask, but now that we know that you can prevent colds and the flu with a mask, you’re an asshole if you spread that shit. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/736 "2021-05-15T02:04:57Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > […] CDC finally said what all rational people already knew (like usual). […] To think of all the money wasted on education and research when all we needed to do was ask ‘’‘rational’‘’ people what the answer was in their ‘‘expert’’ opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/737 "2021-05-15T02:11:51Z")
The “rational people” always conveniently forget all the things they thought they “knew” that they turned out to be wrong about, but remember the rare cases where they guessed right, and think that indicates their superior wisdom and common sense. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/738 "2021-05-15T04:39:41Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Maybe the expectations are also different where you live. But I live in the Bible Belt, where we’re all supposed to be at least superficially nice. Then tell them, “Bless your heart.” Why keep beating your head against the wall? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/739 "2021-05-15T19:32:40Z")
I think we’ve had a couple of stories about bars in Washington state running afoul of mask mandates and such; not sure if we’ve seen this particular bar before or not: > **[Bar’s liquor license suspended after dozens of complaints](https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-2d5fd3050bb1a02191fa5f195ca5a6a7)** > > TACOMA, Wash. (AP) — The Washington Liquor and Cannabis Board has suspended the license of a bar in Tacoma for 180 days, after months of complaints and citations. The board said this week that it issued an immediate, emergency suspension of An... ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/740 "2021-05-15T19:37:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I think we’ve had a couple of stories about bars in Washington state running afoul of mask mandates and such; Yeah, this restaurant was shut down a week or so ago for repeated violations … > **[Popular U District bar/restaurant shut down due to repeated COVID violations](https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/health-inspectors-shut-down-flowers-bar-restaurant-in-seattles-u-district-for-repeated-covid-19-operations-violations/)** > > Flowers, a popular bar/restaurant on the Ave, had its license suspended this week after health inspectors deemed that it had on multiple occasions violated the state's COVID-19 reopening operations guidelines for restaurants. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339.md?page=38)