# Fucking maskholes and vaxholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 14, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339 "2020-07-14T21:26:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/761 "2021-05-25T02:33:58Z")
So they were lying. Got it. Glad you caught up to the rest of the class. I didn’t come here to listen to your stupid opinions, I came to tell you how it is. That’s how it is. I like how you bring up old shit where I was also completely 100% correct; shows you’re way to fuckin’ slow to keep up. Get on my level or STFU. Better yet, just save us all the time and skip right to the shuttin’ the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/762 "2021-05-25T04:11:41Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > 1. Scientists study some facet of the virus or disease, publish their data. > 2. Other experts read it, perform similar studies. > 3. The press tells the public. The public says “Well that makes sense.” Wow, you must be living in a different “public” from the rest of us. IME, some of the public gets news of scientific information and says “well that makes sense”. But a distressingly large proportion of the public, including majorities of Republicans and overwhelming majorities of right-wing conspiracy-thinkers, just responds with “don’t trust the media FAKE NEWS egghead scientists conspiracy international elites destroying our freedoms cold dead hands”. The chief reason the CDC has to worry so much about the optics of the public-health messages it’s trying to send is because of those gibbering loons who wouldn’t know a responsible policy decision or a reputable scientific source if either of them bit them on the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/763 "2021-05-25T19:25:57Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Remember in the beginning when the CDC said we didn’t need masks, even though countries way ahead of us on the timeline were using them and saying they were necessary? Then when masks were in plentiful supply, suddenly they were recommended? The same goes for outdoor transmission, aerosol spread, fomite transmission…the whole series of scientific progression. This is purposely misleading. CDC always recommended surgical masks for people who had symptoms as source control. They were asking people to not buy N95 due to limited supply. Once it was discovered that a large number of people were mildly symptomatic, asymptomatic or presymptomatic carriers, they recommended cloth masks for everyone. News of this came at the end of March 2020 and the CDC made their mask recommendation for everyone official April 3, 2020. That is following the science for those of us who really were following the science. The CDC published instances of airborne transmission back in June 2020 even though this was considered controversial. They didn’t make an official announcement until October, but they were not hiding the fact that there was evidence of airborne transmission. Even though they are underestimating how safe outdoors is, they always stated that being outdoors is much more safe than being indoors in public. That doesn’t mean that all outdoor situations are safe. It’s still not safe to be close to someone outdoors without a mask (if not vaccinated). The mask guidance for vaccinated people is the least conservative guidance they’ve provided so far. On the other hand, this guidance appears to come after the potential April surge lost its steam almost immediately. A surge in deaths never occurred. Between the number of people infected and vaccinated, there is simply not enough hosts left even though we’re not at herd immunity. Plus, most vulnerable people are vaccinated. It’s a less conservative call, but it is not simply political. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/764 "2021-05-27T22:09:36Z")
[A maskhole power-grab in Idaho!](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-australia-victoria-coronavirus-pandemic-government-and-politics-1e87ce13a62186dc4e5a7719ba8a6954) > [@](#): > > With the governor out of the state, Idaho’s lieutenant governor issued an executive order Thursday banning mask mandates in schools and public buildings, saying the face-covering directives threatened people’s freedom. > > Republican Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin is acting governor while Gov. Brad Little is at the Republican Governors Association conference in Nashville, Tennessee. He was expected to return Thursday evening. > > Last week, McGeachin announced her run for governor, challenging the first-term incumbent Little. McGeachin is on the far right of the political spectrum in the conservative state, and her order could bolster her support as a candidate for governor. > > Little’s office said McGeachin did not make him aware that she planned to issue the executive order. The office didn’t say what Little would do when he returned but it did say residents value local control. Little has never issued a statewide mask mandate, but some counties, cities and schools have. Many have been lifting the mandates as more residents are vaccinated against COVID-19. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/765 "2021-05-28T00:04:22Z")
Not the only maskhole in ID going for that Gov. position. Noted maskhole, Ammon Bundy, is running for governor. Of course, he is banned from the capitol grounds, but I’m sure that’s seen as a positive to his dipshit followers. > **[Noted anti-government activist Ammon Bundy running for governor of Idaho](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/noted-anti-government-activist-ammon-bundy-running-governor-idaho-n1268317)** > > Bundy is currently banned from entering Idaho Capitol grounds. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/766 "2021-05-28T05:26:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Doctor: “Put him in Ward B. The Assholes with Covid Ward. Give him a tylenol and a pen to write his last will.” I think the pen was a nice touch. Generous and so practical, too. But in a United States hospital that single Tylenol cost $33.89 so let’s leave it at the pen, K? Oh, and a few sheets of toilet paper to write on. * * * > [@Irishman](#): > > Yes, I’ve observed a disturbing trend for the conservatives all trapped in their bubble worlds reversing all the criticisms against them and claiming it’s the liberals with those problems. _“Nuh-uh! YOU are!!!”_ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/767 "2021-05-28T16:30:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo (quoting AP)](#): > > With the governor out of the state, Idaho’s lieutenant governor issued an executive order Thursday banning mask mandates in schools and public buildings, saying the face-covering directives threatened people’s freedom. And here I thought _Live free or die_ was New Hampshire’s motto, not Idaho’s. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/768 "2021-05-28T20:45:19Z")
Well, apparently Idaho’s is “live free AND die.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/769 "2021-05-28T23:53:31Z")
Speaking of Idaho. The Republican Governor went out of state to attend the Republican Governors’ Conference. While he was gone, the Republican Lieutenant Governor issued an executive order banning all mask requirements in the state. The Governor went back to rescind the order and called it a stunt. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/770 "2021-05-28T23:57:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > … The Governor went back to rescind the order and called it a stunt. “Stunts 'R Us” would make a very accurate name for the 2021 Republican Party, come to think of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/771 "2021-05-29T02:05:26Z")
And they’re being very cunning about them. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/772 "2021-05-29T12:43:53Z")
It’s stunning, really. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/773 "2021-05-30T00:19:15Z")
Today is the first day in MA of the non-governmental enforcement of masking (though businesses can still require it). We were in a Cape Cod Dunkin’ Donuts this morning (“no masks” sign still prominently hanging) and the few of us in there were wearing masks. Then a big balding older guy came in (picture a retired wrestler) and immediately informed the young guy stocking the straws etc. that “you don’t have to wear that anymore.” The guy began explaining that it was still corporate policy and not everyone was vaccinated, but then the two ladies behind the counter starting quietly saying “don’t engage him! don’t engage him!” and he stopped. So then the guy bellows to the whole room “I’ve had 18 months of that, and that’s enough!” and then he goes to the other end and talks the lady behind the counter into giving him a chair so he can sit at the tables (which of course have had their chairs removed to keep people from sitting down). After a pause he tells the room “I’m an 88 year old man in a 62 year old body, and I’ve had enough. I’ve had enough of all that Trump nonsense and GOP politics and politics in general.” The whole thing was weird, and my wife thought he might even have dementia, but in the end he was still a guy without a mask yelling at a roomful of people about masks. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/774 "2021-05-30T03:27:42Z")
Yeah, man, you don’t have to tell me _why_ they worry about optics. The point is they worry about optics. And that means those of us with a higher functioning brain stem can hear what they say and say “I bet this has some concern for optics mixed in,” while the cicada-level thinkers of our society just go along with whatever they say, without critical thought. Sheesh. I thought we were all on the same page with that one. If I’ve sinned at all, it was by once again overestimating the critical thinking abilities of my fellow man. Anyway, in other news, Walmart and some grocery stores (Kroger?) have dropped their mask mandates. I’m sure others have done the same without me reading about it. Another brick…falls from…the wall? You think the public transit one lasts past August? I’ma say…yes. No, no. No, back to yes. Final answer. Meanwhile, my mother’s having a major birthday celebration this month and my sister’s driving in from RedStaterville. Naturally she’s unvaccinated with no goddamn reason not to be. And we all gotta act like that’s fine. Now my kids can’t hang out with grandma because Auntie might get them sick. What bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/775 "2021-05-30T11:33:54Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > After a pause he tells the room “I’m an 88 year old man in a 62 year old body, and I’ve had enough. I’ve had enough of all that Trump nonsense and GOP politics and politics in general.” The last time I was present for someone ranting, I interrupted him to say, “nobody fucking cares” and he shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/776 "2021-05-30T13:25:18Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [A maskhole power-grab in Idaho!](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-australia-victoria-coronavirus-pandemic-government-and-politics-1e87ce13a62186dc4e5a7719ba8a6954) To give a proper follow-up on this: > **[Idaho governor nixes lieutenant governor's mask-mandate ban](https://apnews.com/article/idaho-coronavirus-pandemic-health-government-and-politics-7c28667cbdeae45fc80e35ce7f0a2aa9)** > > Idaho Gov. Brad Little has issued an executive order repealing a 24-hour-old mask-mandate prohibition put in place while he was out of the state by the lieutenant governor. > [@](#): > > Idaho Gov. Brad Little on Friday issued an executive order repealing a 24-hour-old mask-mandate prohibition put in place while he was out of the state by the lieutenant governor, describing her actions as a tyrannical abuse of power and an “irresponsible, self-serving political stunt.” > [@](#): > > “I have opposed a statewide mask mandate all along because I don’t think top-down mandates change behavior the way personal choice does,” Little said in a statement about his repeal of McGeachin’s order. > > Little added: “But, as your Governor, when it came to masks, I also didn’t undermine separately elected officials who, under Idaho law, are given authorities to take measures they believe will protect the health and safety of the people they serve.” > [@](#): > > “Taking the earliest opportunity to act solitarily on a highly politicized, polarizing issue without conferring with local jurisdictions, legislators, and the sitting Governor is, simply put, an abuse of power,” Little said. “This kind of over-the-top executive action amounts to tyranny — something we all oppose. How ironic that the action comes from a person who has groused about tyranny, executive overreach, and balance of power for months.” > [@](#): > > “I am always reluctant to engage in political ploys, especially when I have been steadfast in meeting the simultaneous goals of protecting both lives and livelihoods,” Little said. “I do not like petty politics. I do not like political stunts over the rule of law. However, the significant consequences of the Lt. Governor’s flimsy executive order require me to clean up a mess.” The Lt. Governor, predictably, doubled down: > [@](#): > > “I understand that protecting individual liberty means fighting against tyranny at ALL levels of government — federal, state, and local,” she wrote. “It is your God-given right to make your own health decisions, and no state, city, or school district ever has the authority to violate your unalienable rights.” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/777 "2021-05-30T13:58:24Z")
Shame the Governor can’t fire the Lt. Governor. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/778 "2021-05-30T15:44:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > [A maskhole power-grab in Idaho!](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-australia-victoria-coronavirus-pandemic-government-and-politics-1e87ce13a62186dc4e5a7719ba8a6954) > > To give a proper follow-up on this: > [Idaho governor nixes lieutenant governor's mask-mandate ban | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/idaho-coronavirus-pandemic-health-government-and-politics-7c28667cbdeae45fc80e35ce7f0a2aa9) > > > [@](#): > > > > Idaho Gov. Brad Little on Friday issued an executive order repealing a 24-hour-old mask-mandate prohibition put in place while he was out of the state by the lieutenant governor, describing her actions as a tyrannical abuse of power and an “irresponsible, self-serving political stunt.” > > > [@](#): > > > > “I have opposed a statewide mask mandate all along because I don’t think top-down mandates change behavior the way personal choice does,” Little said in a statement about his repeal of McGeachin’s order. > > > > Little added: “But, as your Governor, when it came to masks, I also didn’t undermine separately elected officials who, under Idaho law, are given authorities to take measures they believe will protect the health and safety of the people they serve.” > > > [@](#): > > > > “Taking the earliest opportunity to act solitarily on a highly politicized, polarizing issue without conferring with local jurisdictions, legislators, and the sitting Governor is, simply put, an abuse of power,” Little said. “This kind of over-the-top executive action amounts to tyranny — something we all oppose. How ironic that the action comes from a person who has groused about tyranny, executive overreach, and balance of power for months.” > > > [@](#): > > > > “I am always reluctant to engage in political ploys, especially when I have been steadfast in meeting the simultaneous goals of protecting both lives and livelihoods,” Little said. “I do not like petty politics. I do not like political stunts over the rule of law. However, the significant consequences of the Lt. Governor’s flimsy executive order require me to clean up a mess.” > > The Lt. Governor, predictably, doubled down: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I understand that protecting individual liberty means fighting against tyranny at ALL levels of government — federal, state, and local,” she wrote. “It is your God-given right to make your own health decisions, and no state, city, or school district ever has the authority to violate your unalienable rights.” Pretty impressive dressing-down. Props to Gov. Little for recognizing that neither one of them was elected “paladin.” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/779 "2021-05-31T04:01:46Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Yeah, man, you don’t have to tell me _why_ they worry about optics. I wasn’t. I was telling you that your claim about what “the public” does when informed directly about results of scientific studies, without mediation from advisory bodies such as the CDC, differs markedly from what much of the real-life public does in those circumstances. Maybe you thought you were replying to a different post? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/780 "2021-05-31T13:51:59Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Shame the Governor can’t fire the Lt. Governor. It’s Idaho. I’m sure that there ae plenty of ‘Tom Horn’ wanna-bees. /s [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339.md?page=40)