# Fucking maskholes and vaxholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 14, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339 "2020-07-14T21:26:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1102 "2021-11-08T16:13:36Z")
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. The assault and battery seemed to be all the woman here. That’s presumably why she was arrested first. The female cop who talks to the guy patiently explains she has the discretion to arrest him for trespass. I did not see any evidence the guy participated in the assault, so it just seems strange for him to be arrested for assault when they had a perfectly good trespass charge just sitting there. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1103 "2021-11-08T16:18:58Z")
On rewatching the video, I retract my confusion. On first watching I was under the impression the women fought, and the guy just grabbed the bat and left the store. On review, he does appear to step right into the scuffle, and the camera is pointed away from any people for a period of time, before he extricated himself and left the store. More than enough probable cause, I would think, for an assault arrest. Not to mention whatever the storekeeper might have told the police to justify arresting him as well. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1104 "2021-11-08T16:20:08Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > One of the funniest parts of a recent SNL skit ( “Mellen” ) was when someone came up behind a seated anti-vaxxer guest and vaxxed them. How about people that pay to get a water shot instead of a vaccine, to score an official vaccination card, but are then given an actual vaccine instead of the water? [https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2021/10/10/greece-fake-vaccinations-water-real-vaccine](https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2021/10/10/greece-fake-vaccinations-water-real-vaccine) ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1105 "2021-11-08T16:21:19Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > On review, he does appear to step right into the scuffle, and the camera is pointed away from any people for a period of time, before he extricated himself and left the store. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s his arm throwing a punch around 3:38. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1106 "2021-11-08T16:24:37Z")
This is why eyewitnesses are so unreliable. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1107 "2021-11-08T16:27:00Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > This is why eyewitnesses are so unreliable… So nice of them to take this video evidence straight to the police. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1108 "2021-11-08T16:38:22Z")
An assault charge can be valid if the store owner had a reasonable fear that they would suffer violence. No actual contact needs to be made. And given the way these two were acting (especially with one of the pair going for the bat), even without a literal thrown punch, there’s a good chance the charge would stick for both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1109 "2021-11-08T17:07:20Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > So nice of them to take this video evidence straight to the police. The part where they go to the officers and start inappropriately quoting Federal code, after trespassing & threatening a shop employee, pretty much sums up everything about so many of these people. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1110 "2021-11-08T19:13:24Z")
> **Name:** RICKI SCOTT COLLIN > **Inmate Number:** 3935175 > **Booking Date:** 11/3/2021 12:27:00 PM > **Age:** 34 > **Sex:** Male > **Location:** Lane County Jail > > Charges: > > **#** 1 Assault 3rd Deg (Felony) > **ORS:** #[163.165](https://oregoncrimenews.com/ors-oregon-revised-statutes-descriptions/ors-163-165-assault-in-the-third-degree/) > > **#** 2 Robbery in the Third Degree (Felony) > **ORS:** #164.395 > > **Name:** AMY VERLEE HALL > **Inmate Number:** 3935176 > **Booking Date:** 11/3/2021 12:38:00 PM > **Age:** 45 > **Sex:** Female > **Location:** Lane County Jail > > Charges: > > **#** 1 Assault 3rd Deg (Felony) > **ORS:** #[163.165](https://oregoncrimenews.com/ors-oregon-revised-statutes-descriptions/ors-163-165-assault-in-the-third-degree/) [https://oregoncrimenews.com/lane-county-mugshots-nov-03-2021/](https://oregoncrimenews.com/lane-county-mugshots-nov-03-2021/) ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1111 "2021-11-08T19:21:46Z")
Oh man, he’s charged with stealing the bat. That’s amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1112 "2021-11-08T19:50:42Z")
What was that bat made of that stealing it was a felony? AIUI the difference between misdemeanors and felonies usually comes down to the value of the item? ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1113 "2021-11-08T19:52:59Z")
Robberies (taking by force) are almost always felonies. The value of the item usually doesn’t factor in. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1114 "2021-11-08T20:03:10Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Huh. Why would most calls go to OSHA? Does that mean most calls are from employers whose employees refuse to wear masks? Or is OSHA in charge of customer-caused safety issues, too? And if somebody is trespassing and, say, scaring customers and/or employees, Eugene wouldn’t dispatch cops? Or is this just a COVID-era rule? I would read that to mean _after_ the situation was resolved, the complaint was forwarded to OSHA for adjudication, where they review if the business owner was compliant with all applicable laws, federal, state and local. That’s probably easier than for the county to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1115 "2021-11-08T20:48:31Z")
Amy seems pretty happy with her felony assault charge in her mugshot. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1116 "2021-11-08T21:03:06Z")
Maybe she’s ‘[Going to have an Aviance Night](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_nwn-a2Ybg)’… \* . , .\* Cuffs sold seperately ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1117 "2021-11-08T21:24:57Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > Oh man, he’s charged with stealing the bat. That’s amazing. Right? Those guys have strong wings and sharp teeth. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1118 "2021-11-08T21:32:22Z")
Let’s hope he learns his lesson. That bat wasn’t his. I guess his parents skipped that lesson with him. But hey, it’s never too late to learn. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1119 "2021-11-09T00:35:01Z")
That particular day in mug shots makes me sad for humanity. ETA: The question is, who _isn’t_ on meth? [![](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240086.png) ](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240086.png) [![](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240165.png) ](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240165.png) [![](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240105.png) ](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240105.png) [![](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240119.png) ](https://oregoncrimenews.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Inmate_240119.png) ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1120 "2021-11-09T10:20:10Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Huh. Why would most calls go to OSHA? Does that mean most calls are from employers whose employees refuse to wear masks? Or is OSHA in charge of customer-caused safety issues, too? And if somebody is trespassing and, say, scaring customers and/or employees, Eugene wouldn’t dispatch cops? Or is this just a COVID-era rule? Most likely the confusion is the responsibility of the writer of the story linked to. It’s just a transcript of some package the TV station aired. It’s full of TV news-speak. By it’s very nature, TV newswriting, even when done at the top level, does not often work well as a newspaper/internet article. It’s not very good journalism to try to pass one off as the other. I think there was a time somewhere from (maybe??) 2000-2008 or so, when many TV news operations rewrote their on-air scripts to adapt them to be published on the station’s website. Maybe some still do that but I don’t see it. What decent, responsible TV news outlets do now is, they put the _transcript_ of their TV news story up on their website, but they present it for what it is: a transcript of a TV story, not a newspaper article. It’s just one more way so much internet media is inaccurate and full of accidental deception. Consider this portion of the “article”: > He also said most complaints go to OSHA, but if the situation escalates to violence, they would treat it like any other call for service from a business owner if they have somebody trespassing at that point. Now one has to sort of puzzle their way through these apparent intern efforts. With some luck, a not completely braindead writer, along with some knowledge of broadcast news writing “styles” you can extract some possible pieces of actual info. So I’ll take a stab: I think he might have meant that most of these complaints/cases ultimately get filed with OSHA as any workplace safety issue does but if there is violence involved then the cops handle that aspect in the immediate. He sorta implies that cops take care of any folks who refuse to leave a business, whether there is violence or not (trespassing). ETA: in fairness to the TV writer, it’s possible that the sound and the video accompanying the story on TV put the words of the script in proper context. But that’s all the more reason you need to rewrite it for the website. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2021, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339/1121 "2021-11-09T10:43:25Z")
[too late to add to my last post] I ran across this version of [The Crumb Together Anti-Mask Fuck-Knuckles Variety Hour](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSBkv1ytaEE). (It’s only 50 minutes long so the ads must’ve been removed 🙃). I don’t think this was posted earlier in the thread. (I haven’t watched it in any detail yet.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-maskholes-and-vaxholes/915339.md?page=57)