# Fucking Morons Still Trashing Buzz **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868 "2015-07-22T11:26:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/141 "2015-08-04T15:27:37Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > PS: I’m not a troll, or a nutcase. I’m just a person trying to get my head around this thing. I mean no harm to anyone. I just want answers. I want the truth. > > (And please, no one say ‘you can’t handle the truth’) 🙂 Handle? Shit, you can’t _recognise_ the truth. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/142 "2015-08-04T16:01:18Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I found Buzz’z agent contact information. Should we pitch a reality series “Welcome to the Punch”? > > Giving he’s getting old, we should offer a couple of jackbooted thugs to protect him, and to hold the CT nuts still while Buzz belts them. He has a Facebook page. I suppose you could post it there, but I’m not sure that he’d have a sense of humor about it. He might punch you. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/143 "2015-08-04T16:09:19Z")
[quote=“John\_Denning, post:132, topic:725868”] Someone, anyone, tell me why these three guys look as though they are under so much goddamn pressure to get through this thing and why smiles are so forced and so rare? Why do these three guys look as though they have just been to a funeral? It makes no goddamn sense to me. And if conjecture is all that there is in this long running debate, then this is a good starting point. [/QUOTE] My take away from that- Gawd, what a bunch of stiffs. Can you make going to the moon any less exciting? Maybe next time we send someone who can act like it was a life changing experience. But alas, it doesn’t mean these guys didn’t go to the moon. Just means their personalities are dry as hell and NASA wasn’t focusing on their PR at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/144 "2015-08-04T16:14:37Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > Finally! 🆒 I’m surprised nobody else picked it. Great movie, too, for the record. > > JD But did you pick up my quote? And are you going to answer the questions? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/145 "2015-08-04T16:22:47Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > Actually, Ale, it’s not that at all. It’s just that some of us grow tired of listening to all the lies that are thrown at us on a daily basis by our so-called leaders. You know, in 1969 Nixon was president. What better way of getting back at the memory of the hated JFK than exposing the Apollo program as a sham. Why didn’t he? > [@](#): > > I am curious about something - if you (or anyone else reading this) were to travel to the moon and actually walk on it, wouldn’t you be absolutely buzzing with excitement (no pun intended) upon your safe return to your life here on Earth? Wouldn’t you want to tell the world of your adventure, and of the sheer brilliance of what you had had the absolute, unparalleled honor of experiencing? I sure as hell would. I’d be bursting at the seams. They’d have to give me some kind of calmative just to slow me down. You should read “The Right Stuff” some day. There was pressure on the astronauts, and their wives, to not embarrass the program. And especially back then it wasn’t cool to hop around in public. Plus Neil Armstrong was never Mr. Excitement. I just read Gene Cernan’s autobiography. He was plenty excited - on the page, not in public. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/146 "2015-08-04T16:26:33Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > Respectfully, no. This is clearly not a forum for holding intelligent, rational debates. It’s more of a sort of flag waving forum it seems. Look, if you guys want to believe that it was feasible to fly to the moon and drive a buggy around back in 1969 then who am I to say otherwise, right? I am curious, though, why would they take a buggy in the first place? It must have been one of those important pre-moon landing mission decisions. > > “Astronauts all ready to go?” Check! > “Enough food and drink?” Check! > “Rocket ready to launch?” Check! > “Got the golf club?” Check! > “Anything we’ve forgotten?” Yeah, a buggy of some kind the guys can ride around in! > > JD First, the buggy was not on Apollo XI. Second, why they would want a buggy is the biggest no-brainer in history. Do you walk to the grocery? The buggy let them go further and collect more samples than they could carry. Is this tough for you to figure out? Anyhow, if they faked the later footage, wouldn’t the buggy make it a lot more difficult? ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/147 "2015-08-04T16:45:07Z")
> [@](#): > > I have this to say about the moon landings. I have no doubt that rockets were blasted into space, and the spectacular footage of this happening is there for all to see, just as it was witnessed by so many. But I do believe that the rockets were unmanned. I believe that the landing/s were filmed here on Earth, and I say this with absolute certainty. Does this whack-a-loon theory apply to all the Apollo missions, or just the ones that landed? Do you, for example, believe that Apollo 8, the first manned craft to orbit the moon, was actually unmanned? What about the Mercury and Gemini manned spaceflight programs - were they actually unmanned as well? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/148 "2015-08-04T17:20:50Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > Kubrick left a trail of clues as to his involvement in filming the moon landings here on earth, and there’s also a clue of my own contained within this particular post for anyone with an eye for detail. I think I found his secret message. If you take every 69th letter (for 1969, year of the hoax), divide by Buzz Aldrin’s shoe size, and do modulo math based on the current phase of the moon, you’ll single out the following letters in his text: > [@John\_Denning](#): > > There are way too many posts here for me to respond to. It would take me all day so just picked this one. And **I** ’ve already concluded there **a** re a lot of kids posting on this thread who have been brought up from birth, literally, to believe that the **m** oon landings did happen, just as they most likely believe that there is an entity in the sky watching over all of us. > > I have this to say **a** bout the moon landings. I have no doubt that rockets were blasted into space, and the spectacular footage of this happening is there for all to see, just as it was witnessed by so many. But I do believe that the rockets were unmanned. I believe that the landing/s were fil **m** ed here on Earth, and I say this with absolute certainty. > > There is only one way this debate is ever going to be resolved, and that is when another country successfully puts men on the m **o** on and reveals that there is no evidence of anyone having been there before. (And no, those tiny dots on a picture of the moon’s surface with arrows indicating what they are doesn’t count.) I’m talking about someone standing next that flag, which of course won’t be there. > > I also believe that faking the footage was one of the biggest mistakes Ame **r** ica ever made, because of the ramifications should the truth ever be revealed. In fact, I’m sure you’re all aware of the extremely grave potential for cultural shock and social disorientation contained in this present situation, if the facts were prematurely and suddenly made public without adequate preparation and c **o** nditioning. > Again, everyone is free to believe what they want. I just find it sad, that’s all, that the elite have so much co **n** trol over the humble masses. So, whadda I win for breaking the code? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/149 "2015-08-04T17:30:37Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > I think I found his secret message. If you take every 69th letter (for 1969, year of the hoax), divide by Buzz Aldrin’s shoe size, and do modulo math based on the current phase of the moon, you’ll single out the following letters in his text: > > So, whadda I win for breaking the code? He’ll get you a free small fries with your burger. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/150 "2015-08-04T17:41:29Z")
What I’d like to know is what CT-ers have to say about Apollo 13. That was a near-disaster that not only led to the loss of the mission, but nearly cost the lives of three astronauts. Or do they call that a fake, too? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/151 "2015-08-04T18:40:23Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > I have this to say about the moon landings. I have no doubt that rockets were blasted into space, and the spectacular footage of this happening is there for all to see, just as it was witnessed by so many. But I do believe that the rockets were unmanned. I believe that the landing/s were filmed here on Earth, and I say this with absolute certainty. Meh, as it turned out I have experience in digital video and photography, and years before this guy pointed at more evidence and logic I had concluded that the technology available then prevented or made virtually impossible to fake the moon landing video video or the film. > [@John\_Denning](#): > > There is only one way this debate is ever going to be resolved, and that is when another country successfully puts men on the moon and reveals that there is no evidence of anyone having been there before. (And no, those tiny dots on a picture of the moon’s surface with arrows indicating what they are doesn’t count.) I’m talking about someone standing next that flag, which of course won’t be there. There are more than tiny dots, the shadows of the remaining Lander and the laser reflectors left on the moon by the astronauts show direct evidence of them having landed on the moon. > **[New Photos Reveal Apollo 11 at First Moon Landing Site](https://www.space.com/6997-photos-reveal-apollo-11-moon-landing-site.html)** > > NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter images Tranquility base, site of Apollo 11 landing. > **[Lunar Laser Ranging experiments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment)** > > Lunar Laser Ranging (LLR) is the practice of measuring the distance between the surfaces of the Earth and the Moon using laser ranging. The distance can be calculated from the round-trip time of laser light pulses travelling at the speed of light, which are reflected back to Earth by the Moon's surface or by one of several retroreflectors installed on the Moon. Three were placed by the United States' Apollo program (11, 14, and 15), two by the Soviet Lunokhod 1 and 2 missions, and one by India And, of course, we still have the moon rocks, higher resolution images taken from the moon, specialized equipment that was later checked by the makers, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/152 "2015-08-04T19:08:19Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > That’s very interesting, Miller. If you want to believe that to be the case, then that’s your choice to do so. I’ve been a regular poster here for more than ten years, and a moderator for about five. Yeah, I think I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the demographics of this board. > [@](#): > > Respectfully, no. This is clearly not a forum for holding intelligent, rational debates. Well, no, this is the BBQ Pit. This is where we call people names. You could, however, start a thread about your views in Great Debates, where the board rules forbid direct insults. You’ll probably still get some contempt. It’s hard to prevent that from leaking through when you’re debating dishonest idiots like yourself. > [@](#): > > It’s more of a sort of flag waving forum it seems. You’ll find plenty of non-Americans more than happy to point out that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Contempt for moon hoaxers cuts across all nations, creeds, and races. > [@](#): > > Look, if you guys want to believe that it was feasible to fly to the moon and drive a buggy around back in 1969 then who am I to say otherwise, right? I am curious, though, why would they take a buggy in the first place? It must have been one of those important pre-moon landing mission decisions. If “Why’d they bring a buggy,” is meant to be evidence that the thing was a hoax, I have to ask, “Why did they pretend to bring a buggy?” If it’s such an obviously ridiculous idea, why did they pretend to do it? > [@](#): > > I’m sure that everything your government tells you is the truth, is. You are free to draw your own conclusions, Miller. As am I. It’s not a matter of whether you’re free to draw your own conclusions, it’s a matter of being competent to draw your own conclusions. Clearly, you’re not competent, because of that brain problem you clearly have. Incidentally, I don’t believe we landed on the moon because my government tells me it did. I believe it, in part, because every other government tells me it happened, even ones that have a material interest in discrediting the US government. The US government might be willing to lie to us about going to the moon - but why would the Soviet government go along with it? > [@](#): > > Be careful? Points? You’re making no sense, Miller, sorry. That’s your brain problem acting up again. > [@](#): > > Again, this is clearly not a forum for holding intelligent, rational debates. No, this is the forum where you go when trying to have an intelligent, rational debate with someone has proven to be pointless. Since that’s pretty much always the case with moon hoaxers, I guess just starting it here saved us some time. > [@](#): > > You speak for others, now? Look, Miller, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. Okay, I’ll try that. . . . Nope. Didn’t work. You’re still an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/153 "2015-08-04T19:41:46Z")
Miller doesn’t speak for me. I independently declare John Denning an idiot asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/154 "2015-08-04T20:14:02Z")
How old is he? I’m guessing hipster age. My grandparents had recently moved to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, (many moons ago) and traveled to watch the launch from Merritt island. I think I’ll trust them on the launch. As far as the landing (which did happen), how are those reflectors on the moon there? We flew by and dropped them from an unmanned space craft in the 1960s? No, they were planted by men who landed on the moon. We continue to use the reflectors to measure how much distance there is between the Earth and our Moon. I[t’s currently moving away from us at 3.8cm per year.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/155 "2015-08-04T20:14:11Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > . . . So, whadda I win for breaking the code? The hearty approval and appreciation of the sane people reading this thread! Good work, m’sieu! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/156 "2015-08-04T20:21:27Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > What I’d like to know is what CT-ers have to say about Apollo 13. That was a near-disaster that not only led to the loss of the mission, but nearly cost the lives of three astronauts. Or do they call that a fake, too? Ooh, ooh, I know! The people behind the hoax were the makers of Tang, and they needed to boost the ratings by having a dramatic mission, so that more people could see their Tang ads. Better justification than the non-existent one Mr. Troll has given. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/157 "2015-08-04T20:30:45Z")
Not Tang!!! It was those zero-G space pens. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/158 "2015-08-04T20:34:01Z")
Without the space program, we wouldn’t have the [Tang song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7gn_YiNNLY). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/159 "2015-08-04T20:36:02Z")
We wouldn’t have space pens either. So there! ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868/160 "2015-08-04T21:47:52Z")
> [@John\_Denning](#): > > Actually, Ale, it’s not that at all. It’s just that some of us grow tired of listening to all the lies that are thrown at us on a daily basis by our so-called leaders. > > It’s called controlling the people, and in the case of the moon landings, what better way to unite the masses and make a select group of people rich in the process. What better way to promote a country to the world. > > I am curious about something - if you (or anyone else reading this) were to travel to the moon and actually walk on it, wouldn’t you be absolutely buzzing with excitement (no pun intended) upon your safe return to your life here on Earth? Wouldn’t you want to tell the world of your adventure, and of the sheer brilliance of what you had had the absolute, unparalleled honor of experiencing? I sure as hell would. I’d be bursting at the seams. They’d have to give me some kind of calmative just to slow me down. > > Now let’s be straight here. Let’s be honest. When you watch the post Apollo 11 press conference, all three of these guys look sad, embarrassed, and extremely uncomfortable. Like I said, man I would be over the moon (again, no pun intended), jubilant, grinning like a goddamn Cheshire cat and jumping out of my chair, welcoming questions and answering them with more passion than you can imagine, a passion that would have been justifiable given the momentous achievement involved. > > But look at these guys. I feel sorry for them, not angry in any way. I feel genuinely sorry for them. if you’re interested, here’s the link, and don’t worry, it’s a bonefide link to the post I mentioned but if you’re wary for any reason just google Apollo 11 press conference if it’s something you haven’t already seen. > > Someone, anyone, tell me why these three guys look as though they are under so much goddamn pressure to get through this thing and why smiles are so forced and so rare? Why do these three guys look as though they have just been to a funeral? > > It makes no goddamn sense to me. And if conjecture is all that there is in this long running debate, then this is a good starting point. > > JD > > PS: I’m not a troll, or a nutcase. I’m just a person trying to get my head around this thing. I mean no harm to anyone. I just want answers. I want the truth. > > (And please, no one say ‘you can’t handle the truth’) 🙂 Your argument boils down to “I don’t understand why they didn’t act like I would had, therefore conspiracy”. Hmm… what does that resemble? Ah, yes, this: > [@Ale](#): > > I think its a defense mechanism, a mental construct from people that can’t tolerate not understanding something (out of hubris or shame) so they resort to plugging the gaps in their understanding of the world and their own mind with self serving BS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-morons-still-trashing-buzz/725868.md?page=9)