# Fucking motorcycles **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 8, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012 "2010-09-08T03:11:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/41 "2010-09-08T16:12:37Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > > [@Wallenstein](#): > > > > Or why not just wait in the queue of traffic like everybody else? šŸ˜• > > several reasons. > > One, because motorcycles tend to overheat when sitting still to long. Especially air cooled bikes, but some water cooled ones as well. Cars have a big radiator with a fan and can essentially run all day sitting still if in good condition. Not so with most bikes. > > Two, around here, heat exhaustion/stroke can be a real problem in the summer. even in a non-air conditioned car you at least have shade. > > Three, the biggest one. itā€™s dangerous as hell. In stop and go driving itā€™s very common for someone to not be paying attention and bump the car ahead of them. No big deal in a car, usually no damage done. On a bike this can mean a lot of damage/injury. Iā€™ve had this happen to me on three different occasions while ridding a motorcycle. So many states allow lane splitting so the bikes can get out of harms way. In other states, the cops will often look the other way when a motorcycleist does this for the above reasonsā€¦iā€™ve had them tell me so. Thanks for the info. Iā€™ve always thought that lane-splitting looks very dangerous, but I didnā€™t realize that there were good reasons for it (besides thumbing your nose at the schmucks stuck in traffic, of course). šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/42 "2010-09-08T16:20:06Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > > [@RTFirefly](#): > > > > Even supposing loud pipes do save lives, it still is nothing more than an act of selfishness. > > > > Basically, ā€œloud pipes save livesā€ breaks down to: > > > > 1. Iā€™m going to drive a vehicle thatā€™s more risky to operate than a standard car is, because I enjoy riding that kind of vehicle. > > 2. But Iā€™m not going to assume the added risk that goes with that benefit of enjoyment. > > 3. Instead, Iā€™m going to annoy the fuck out of everyone within hundreds of yards of me in order to make my pastime slightly less risky to me. > > 4. So everyone else around me has to enjoy their day a bit less in order that I might enjoy my day a bit more. > > A more succinct summation of the issue I have not seen, and I participated in the last loud pipes thread. Thanks! My area gets a lot of bikers, so Iā€™ve had plenty of opportunity to mull over just why the ā€˜loud pipes save livesā€™ bumper sticker got under my skin, while the actual loud pipes were reverberating in my ears. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/43 "2010-09-08T16:21:16Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > > [@bdgr](#): > > > > several reasons. > > > > One, because motorcycles tend to overheat when sitting still to long. Especially air cooled bikes, but some water cooled ones as well. Cars have a big radiator with a fan and can essentially run all day sitting still if in good condition. Not so with most bikes. > > > > Two, around here, heat exhaustion/stroke can be a real problem in the summer. even in a non-air conditioned car you at least have shade. > > > > Three, the biggest one. itā€™s dangerous as hell. In stop and go driving itā€™s very common for someone to not be paying attention and bump the car ahead of them. No big deal in a car, usually no damage done. On a bike this can mean a lot of damage/injury. Iā€™ve had this happen to me on three different occasions while ridding a motorcycle. So many states allow lane splitting so the bikes can get out of harms way. In other states, the cops will often look the other way when a motorcycleist does this for the above reasonsā€¦iā€™ve had them tell me so. > > Thanks for the info. Iā€™ve always thought that lane-splitting looks very dangerous, but I didnā€™t realize that there were good reasons for it (besides thumbing your nose at the schmucks stuck in traffic, of course). šŸ™‚ Those arenā€™t actually good reasons; those are all excuses. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/44 "2010-09-08T16:32:08Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > > [@Wallenstein](#): > > > > Or why not just wait in the queue of traffic like everybody else? šŸ˜• > > several reasons. > > One, because motorcycles tend to overheat when sitting still to long. Especially air cooled bikes, but some water cooled ones as well. Cars have a big radiator with a fan and can essentially run all day sitting still if in good condition. Not so with most bikes. > > Two, around here, heat exhaustion/stroke can be a real problem in the summer. even in a non-air conditioned car you at least have shade. > > Three, the biggest one. itā€™s dangerous as hell. In stop and go driving itā€™s very common for someone to not be paying attention and bump the car ahead of them. No big deal in a car, usually no damage done. On a bike this can mean a lot of damage/injury. Iā€™ve had this happen to me on three different occasions while ridding a motorcycle. So many states allow lane splitting so the bikes can get out of harms way. In other states, the cops will often look the other way when a motorcycleist does this for the above reasonsā€¦iā€™ve had them tell me so. IOW, motorcycles are poorly designed for riding on crowded roads. But similarly to the loud-pipes issue, bikers want to deal with the disadvantages of riding motorcycles through the means of making things better for them in a way that makes driving more problematic for everyone else. If people are going to drive a vehicle in heavy traffic that doesnā€™t work well in heavy traffic and is more dangerous to drive in those circumstances as well, then they should man up and deal with it themselves. It shouldnā€™t be ameliorated by turning it into an additional bit of hassle and risk for non-bikers. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/45 "2010-09-08T16:34:56Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > > This is why lane-splitting should be legal in every state. > > Ah, a ā€˜niceā€™ term for what most of us would call ā€œriding between lanes.ā€ Itā€™s good to know that even bikers can be Orwellian. > > My take on this is simple: when I do a lane change, I have enough to worry about with (a) the traffic in the lane Iā€™m changing into, and (b) the car in front of me in my current lane, as I wait for a sufficient opening in the other lane. Having to worry about essentially an additional lane in between the two would be too fucking much to keep track of in complicated traffic situations, which of course is the only time riding between lanes conveys any benefit to motorcyclists. I have to admit, I hadnā€™t heard the previous reasons for lane splitting (well, Iā€™d heard that it was safer than being in the traffic itself, but I hadnā€™t heard the overheating thing), so Iā€™ll take that all into consideration. That said, when I go down to LA, every so often, traffic will be going along beautifully, then BLAM! Everybody slams on their breaks and stops short. I donā€™t tail gate (though in LA, if you stay far enough back to not tailgate, people just jump in the space. . . so itā€™s sort of an ongoing dilemma). Anyway, my point is that a few times when traffic has just BLAMMED! like that, Iā€™ve had to stop so short that Iā€™ve had to angle my car to the side a bit so as not to hit the guy in front of me. Now, Iā€™m not pretending like this is a frequent occurrence, but it definitely has happened a few times. Stopping short like that is scary enough. Stopping short like that and almost slamming into the motorcycle dude thatā€™s trying to lane split at 70 or 80 and I didnā€™t see him come up behind me when I did my little to the side maneuver. . . yeah. Thatā€™s REALLY scary. Itā€™s worth noting that in the above scenario, even when I go to the side, my car is still fully in my lane. Unfortunately, the motor cycle is, too. Scary stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/46 "2010-09-08T17:05:41Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > IOW, motorcycles are poorly designed for riding on crowded roads. But similarly to the loud-pipes issue, bikers want to deal with the disadvantages of riding motorcycles through the means of making things better for them in a way that makes driving more problematic for everyone else. > > If people are going to drive a vehicle in heavy traffic that doesnā€™t work well in heavy traffic and is more dangerous to drive in those circumstances as well, then they should man up and deal with it themselves. It shouldnā€™t be ameliorated by turning it into an additional bit of hassle and risk for non-bikers. Too right. I have a hefty cruiser which I love and is a terrible lot of fun to rideā€¦but I was buying a bike with the intent to commute and itā€™s not the right choice for that. Stop and go is unpleasant if not dangerous on a bike (I just _love_ hitting the brakes on a yellow light thatā€™s too far for me to zip through but close enough to be a surprise), it definitely gets bloody hot at a long light, and even if lane splitting were okay in Arizona my bikeā€™s too big to fit between two cars. Itā€™s a perfect highway bike, but I donā€™t do highways. I just wish I knew that before I bought it. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/47 "2010-09-08T18:05:56Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@El\_Presidente](#): > > > > **ā€¦Iā€™m not even going to get into the fact** that just the vehicle itself leads to clubs that turn into gangs of criminal piece of shit scumbags like the Hellā€™s Angels, Mongols, or Outlaws, or Pagans or the Warlocksā€¦ > > ā€¦Why would you say youā€™re not going to get into it and then get into itā€¦ > > > [@](#): > > > > ā€¦Nor will I at this time complain about how a nice, quiet afternoon can be easily ruined.. > > ā€¦And here you are complaining about itā€¦ > > > [@](#): > > > > **..And I will hold my tongue** at saying that if I had my druthers, I would dump every single fucking motorcycle into the seaā€¦ > > ā€¦Thatā€™s the opposite of holding your tongueā€¦ Those were jokesā€¦I say, those were _jokes_, son! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/48 "2010-09-08T18:14:41Z")
> **[Motorcycle Helmet Laws by State | BikersRights](https://www.bikersrights.com/states/)** > > Want to take your motorcycle for a ride, but youā€™re not sure what each stateā€™s helmet laws are? Donā€™t worry; weā€™ve got you covered. Let's get into the article! If you dump them in the sea ,can they take their helmet off? ---
**Author:** ![meanoldman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@meanoldman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/meanoldman)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/49 "2010-09-08T18:38:09Z")
I ride a motorcycle, and I think the ads mentioned in the OP are good ads. Why? 1. I want to be seen 2. I obey the rules of the road as if I were in a car. 3. I wear a helmet and all safety gear. 4. I have stock pipes on a non-Harley, so am not very loud. 5. Even if I didnā€™t do 1-4, I hope that doesnā€™t mean I should be at a greater risk of death, if you know what I mean I live nowhere near PA, but I understand that the Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses are free there. Why doesnā€™t every PA rider attend a course? Donā€™t get it. When I ride my bike to work in the morning, I do not want to disturb the entire neighborhood. I like my mostly quiet stock pipes. Why would I want to advertise to the entire neighborhood that the house is now empty? I always wear a helmet. There has been some dang big bugs and small rocks that have hit the helmet that surely would have drawn blood if they would have hit my head. If you ride a bike with loud pipesā€¦if I am seated on my bike and you are a block away and yet I can not hear my bike, your pipes are too loud, since you are putting me at greater risk of not being noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/50 "2010-09-08T18:52:55Z")
Where to beginā€¦? 1. I live in Florida and grew up in Ohio. Both are states where helmets are not required if you are a legal adult. Strongly recommended, but not legally required. 2. My dad raced motorcycles for 20 years. He is not > [@](#): > > vehicle itself leads to clubs that turn into gangs of criminal piece of shit scumbags like the Hellā€™s Angels, Mongols, or Outlaws, or Pagans or the Warlocks. any of these things. In fact, heā€™s a faithful magical-underpants-wearing Mormon; hardly a criminal piece of shit scumbag, thankyouverymuch. I really appreciate you lumping my sweet mormon daddy in with Hellā€™s Angels. Hyperbole, much? 1. Not all pipes are loud. In fact, many motorcycles you donā€™t even notice because they are rice-burners, run quietly, and are no louder than a car with a hole in the muffler. Hondas, especially the higher cc models, sound exactly like cars. Last time I jumped on the back of my dadā€™s 1100 cc Goldwing, I heard a funny ticking in the engine. I asked him what was wrong with the bike. He said he had a sticky valve and wondered how the hell I could tell. I told him that his bike makes the exact same startup sounds that my car makes, but there was an extra ticking in the idle that I do not hear in my car. Both engines are made by Honda. They sound _exactly_ the same, when the Goldwing is running right. 2. I really donā€™t have a problem with the loud pipes on Harleys, provided the biker is actually riding. My sister had a neighbor who (had more money than brains) bought a crotch rocket, but didnā€™t really know how to ride it. He blew thousands of dollars in high-end kevlar riding gear and then sat on the bike in his driveway revving and revving and revving the engine. Because he liked the way it sounded. :rolleyes: Sis said she never saw the guy actually get on the damn bike and ride it anywhere. We figured eventually he just blew the rings, trashed the engine, and probably sold it to some other loser. _This_ is the kind of douchebag that I think the OP means to target. Not my daddy. 3. But this > [@](#): > > I would dump every single fucking motorcycle into the sea, and have them wiped off the planet forever is just ridiculous. BASE jumping is dangerous; shall we have all the bridges torn down? Sky diving is dangerous; maybe we should ground all the planes. Bicycling is dangerous in some cities; donā€™t you think we should get rid of them, too? What about the stroller people at the mall? Sometimes the strollers have noisy babies in them. We should ban babies. And things with wheels. And anything else that makes noise and disturbs the OPā€™s delicate sensibilities. Whoā€™s with me? ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/51 "2010-09-08T19:18:37Z")
The problem isnā€™t the bikes; itā€™s the riders. Some of them are in cars as well. Itā€™s all about ā€œNotice me!ā€ And we all dislike show-offs. Itā€™s also stoopid and self-destructive. A pox on people who share lanes unless invited, who swerve in traffic, who practice blipping and unneccesary revving. They are the scourge of harmony. Along with people who donā€™t mow their yards, play their music too loud and have annoying dawgs. Did I mention kids on my lawn? At some point a person has to either get an ulcer or learn to deal with it. Iā€™ve ridden for thirty years without an accident or causing one so Iā€™m begging out of the lump-them-all-together mentality. Disclaimer: Well, there was that one time when I forgot to put my feet down at a stop sign. . . ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/52 "2010-09-08T19:30:32Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Stopping short like that is scary enough. Stopping short like that and almost slamming into the motorcycle dude thatā€™s trying to lane split at 70 or 80 and I didnā€™t see him come up behind me when I did my little to the side maneuver. . . yeah. Thatā€™s REALLY scary. Well hereā€™s the problem with that. Only a fucking idiot lane splits at 70 or 80. Itā€™s supposed to be for when traffic stops or slows down to around 15-20 mph. And the biker is supposed to only do 10-15 mph above that. So when youā€™re in traffic the bike should be past you fast enough to not worry about them. Iā€™ve done it and find it quite easy once you get the hang of it. It does make it faster for me, safer for me, and keeps others from hitting me. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/53 "2010-09-08T19:38:06Z")
I donā€™t care much about people driving quiet motorbikes; mind you, theyā€™re usually the teeny-agers stunting around the neighbourhood, driving 100 kph on a residential street, but they tend to sort themselves out (grow up or get dead); itā€™s the middle-aged assholes on their bike that I can hear coming from a mile away that make me grit my teeth and think truly nasty thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/54 "2010-09-08T19:41:53Z")
Oh, you canā€™t dump every single motorbike in the sea. Because then how am I going to buy one? Itā€™s been my dream since I was 15 and I definitely intend to. I might be bang alongside you when it comes to HDs, though. I most definitely have a problem with loud pipes if they are riding or not. And the guy Dogzilla mentions, I would have started calling the cops. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/55 "2010-09-08T19:42:38Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > I donā€™t even get why loud pipes are legal. If you had a car like that youā€™d get a ticket for defective equipment. Rightly so, too. Theyā€™re not. Bone-stock motorcycles, straight out of the showroom, are pretty quiet; there are regulations that set the maximum permissible noise level. Motorcycles are made loud by owners who modify or replace the stock exhaust. Iā€™ve heard plenty of loud cars. The problem is enforcement. There are limited police resources, and they tend to get used to crack down on speeders and other such public enemies. > [@](#): > > These assholes are damaging our hearing. Ayup. If you want more vigorous enforcement though, be prepared to pay for more police officers, and possibly some calibrated decibel meters for them to carry in their squad cars. > [@El Presidente](#): > > Iā€™m not even going to get into the fact that just the vehicle itself leads to clubs that turn into gangs of criminal piece of shit scumbags like the Hellā€™s Angels, Mongols, or Outlaws, or Pagans or the Warlocks. My, Grandma, what a big brush you have. Somehow after eleven years of riding, Iā€™ve managed to avoid turning to the dark side. So have the people in my club. None of us run drugs or guns, and to my knowledge none of us has killed or assaulted anyone. Indeed, at a couple of our gatherings, spontaneous collections have been taken up to help out [non-rider] strangers in need. Iā€™ve had a couple of speeding tickets, but nothing really outrageous. You wonā€™t catch me playing in traffic as you described. > [@El Presidente](#): > > Or that every single friend I know that owns a motorcycle, not minus ONE exception, has been in at least one wipeout that sent them to the hospital. I will agree that the riding skill of the average motorcycle owner is abysmal. Many ride without an endorsement on their license; of those that do have an endorsement, most have very little formal training and make no effort to develop the handling/awareness skills that may save their lives. A disturbing percentage of motorcycle fatalities are single-vehicle, run-off-road crashes: the rider fails to negotiate a turn because he lacks the requisite skill. OTOH, Iā€™ve now covered 150,000 miles on two wheels, accident-free, in large part because I _have_ developed those skills. Many of my friends can report the same for themselves. We work hard to learn from mistakes (our own and those of others), to know how to react in various riding scenarios, and to know how to make the bike do what we want it to do. My armored riding gear is brightly colored to catch your eye, but it wonā€™t help one damn bit if you donā€™t look. Put down your cheeseburger, hang up your phone, and fergodsake, [stop painting your fucking nails.](http://motorcycles.about.com/b/2010/05/07/distracted-driver-found-guilty-of-killing-anita-zaffke-inspiration-behind-black-nail-brigade.htm) Pay attention while you drive. Bottom line? Yes, there are some assholes on bikes. As has been noted, there are also assholes behind the wheel. And on foot. Theyā€™re everywhere. Iā€™ll continue to ride a quiet bike in a reasonable manner, and encourage my riding brethren to do the same; I just ask that you encourage your driving comrades to pay attention behind the wheel, for _everyoneā€™s_ sake (not just the riders). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/56 "2010-09-08T19:50:29Z")
_post deleted for redundancy_ ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/57 "2010-09-08T19:55:27Z")
Those ā€˜Start seeing motorcyclesā€™ bumperstickers bug me. I often _see_ them haul ass while weaving through traffic. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/58 "2010-09-08T20:00:54Z")
Less chickenshit tickets, more loud motorcycle tickets! Whoā€™s with me? ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/59 "2010-09-08T20:21:54Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I donā€™t care much about people driving quiet motorbikes; mind you, theyā€™re usually the teeny-agers stunting around the neighbourhood, driving 100 kph on a residential street, but they tend to sort themselves out (grow up or get dead); itā€™s the middle-aged assholes on their bike that I can hear coming from a mile away that make me grit my teeth and think truly nasty thoughts. Good observation! So youā€™ve got them in Canada, too. There are a lot of professional guys (who should know better) who worked hard and saved up their money for top notch bikes. Kids are gone and they have time to ride. Makes 'em feel young again. Theyā€™ve finally got their motorcycle. But no experience. Darwinism sorts them out pretty fast, too, unfortunately. Sturgis looked more like the gang lining up to take that early retirement tour of an attended care facility than a Hellā€™s Angelā€™s picnic. But people try, nonetheless. Damn old fools. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012/60 "2010-09-08T20:35:01Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > But no experience. Darwinism sorts them out pretty fast, too, unfortunately. Just so long as their check clears after they buy my bikeā€¦ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-motorcycles/553012.md?page=4)