# Fucking NJ Dems **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175 "2018-12-15T13:42:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/21 "2018-12-19T19:43:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > THIS. It makes me seriously bereft to see all these namby-pamby liberals being too nice to play hardball. This is war, FFS! No. I can not disagree more. We want to stop this from happening at any time or in anyone’s favor. And luckily progressives in NJ [agree](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/new-jersey-democratic-partisan-gerrymandering-amendment-is-dead-progressive-activists-killed-it.html) with me > [@](#): > > There are two lessons in this debacle. The first is that the Democratic base really does appear to value voting rights as a matter of principle, not convenience. Even when a gerrymander might’ve helped their party, progressives defended fair maps and resisted partisan manipulation of district lines. **The Democratic Party cannot present itself as the party of voting rights and then jettison its support for free and equal elections when doing so might help them win more seats.** Liberal voters will not stand for it. Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/22 "2018-12-19T20:35:50Z")
:smack: You’re playing Marquess of Queensberry Rules while our opponent is kicking us in the nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/23 "2018-12-20T06:14:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > :smack: You’re playing Marquess of Queensberry Rules while our opponent is kicking us in the nuts. Yeah. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It is not a conservative ideology that the Democratic Party is facing here. If Trump was the driving force of a party dedicated to a person who is a fiscal conservative, family oriented, small business owner. Maybe. This is different. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/24 "2018-12-20T06:25:39Z")
“Different” is to understatement what “galaxy” is to big. ---
**Author:** ![RavenSong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@RavenSong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RavenSong)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/25 "2018-12-21T21:24:51Z")
Whose worse, the Republicans or the Democrats? Answer - BOTH The new NJ governor absolutely sucks, but then again so did the last one and the one before ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/26 "2018-12-21T21:37:16Z")
> [@RavenSong](#): > > Whose worse, the Republicans or the Democrats? > Answer - BOTH > The new NJ governor absolutely sucks, but then again so did the last one and the one before “Who’s”, I think. Anyway, I thought this thread ended up proving that they are not equivalent, but sure, be a lazy fuck and assume they are both equally bad. There’s must be a law that both sides must be the same, for ever and ever, amen. ---
**Author:** ![RavenSong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@RavenSong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RavenSong)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/27 "2018-12-21T21:40:31Z")
McGreevy was governor - he got caught committing ‘contract fraud’ and he had to resign. A NJ senator named Corzine saw that the governorship was vacant and TOOK it. he was not elected to the open position - he TOOK it. Bob Menendez, a US House rep saw the senate seat vacated and he TOOK it. Bob Menendez was not elected to the US Senate - he TOOK the seat. This is how he became a senator. Albio Sires saw the US Rep seat vacant and TOOK it - he wasn’t elected. McSally was appointed as US senator the other day. She wasn’t voted in - she TOOK the position. This is how Feinstein came into power - first a Mayor of San Francisco and then US Senator Strange how no one notices and no one cares. Republican Martha McSally Did Not Win Her Election. Why Will She Be a Senator Next Year? [https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-martha-mcsally-did-not-win-her-election-why-will-she-be-a-senator-next-year/](https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-martha-mcsally-did-not-win-her-election-why-will-she-be-a-senator-next-year/) ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/28 "2018-12-21T21:44:44Z")
What are you talking about? “Took” it. How does that work exactly? Do I just print some letterhead and show up at the Capitol building? ---
**Author:** ![RavenSong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@RavenSong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RavenSong)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/29 "2018-12-21T22:40:56Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > What are you talking about? “Took” it. How does that work exactly? Do I just print some letterhead and show up at the Capitol building? Maybe ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/30 "2018-12-21T22:42:24Z")
They’re het up about appointed senators. But the governors who appoint them are elected by the people of the state, and they can only serve at most two years without facing the voters themselves, so I can’t get too exercised about that. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/31 "2018-12-21T22:49:56Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > No. I can not disagree more. We want to stop this from happening at any time or in anyone’s favor. And luckily progressives in NJ [agree](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/new-jersey-democratic-partisan-gerrymandering-amendment-is-dead-progressive-activists-killed-it.html) with me > Bolding mine. Then progressives in NJ are doomed to a permanent minority. Republicans shouldn’t even be allowed to _run_ for office, let alone hold it. They’ve proven themselves time again to be enemies of democracy, the American people, America itself, and the entire human race. They need to be run out of office by any means necessary and permanently disbanded, just like Germany did to the Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/32 "2018-12-22T00:14:27Z")
> [@RavenSong](#): > > McGreevy was governor - he got caught committing ‘contract fraud’ and he had to resign. > A NJ senator named Corzine saw that the governorship was vacant and TOOK it. he was not elected to the open position - he TOOK it. > Bob Menendez, a US House rep saw the senate seat vacated and he TOOK it. Bob Menendez was not elected to the US Senate - he TOOK the seat. This is how he became a senator. > Albio Sires saw the US Rep seat vacant and TOOK it - he wasn’t elected. > McSally was appointed as US senator the other day. She wasn’t voted in - she TOOK the position. > > This is how Feinstein came into power - first a Mayor of San Francisco and then US Senator > > Strange how no one notices and no one cares. > Republican Martha McSally Did Not Win Her Election. Why Will She Be a Senator Next Year? > [https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-martha-mcsally-did-not-win-her-election-why-will-she-be-a-senator-next-year/](https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-martha-mcsally-did-not-win-her-election-why-will-she-be-a-senator-next-year/) Because they didn’t TAKE them, they were GIVEN them. If your recent postings are indicative of the quality of contribution we can expect, you’ll find your stay here shorter than the attention paid to Topix. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/33 "2018-12-22T12:34:45Z")
> [@RavenSong](#): > > McGreevy was governor - he got caught committing ‘contract fraud’ and he had to resign. > A NJ senator named Corzine saw that the governorship was vacant and TOOK it. he was not elected to the open position - he TOOK it. > Bob Menendez, a US House rep saw the senate seat vacated and he TOOK it. Bob Menendez was not elected to the US Senate - he TOOK the seat. This is how he became a senator. > Albio Sires saw the US Rep seat vacant and TOOK it - he wasn’t elected. > McSally was appointed as US senator the other day. She wasn’t voted in - she TOOK the position. > > This is how Feinstein came into power - first a Mayor of San Francisco and then US Senator > > Strange how no one notices and no one cares. > Republican Martha McSally Did Not Win Her Election. Why Will She Be a Senator Next Year? > [https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-martha-mcsally-did-not-win-her-election-why-will-she-be-a-senator-next-year/](https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-martha-mcsally-did-not-win-her-election-why-will-she-be-a-senator-next-year/) This thread was originally about the NJ Dems attempt at grabbing permanent majority status. Happily, they failed, due to other NJ Dems and progressives fighting them. If you want to just mention bad politicians, that probably belongs in another thread. For bad NJ Politicians, you forgot Robert Toricelli. There are corrupt politicians in both parties, but the Republican Party itself seems corrupted by this president and their various attempts at limited voter rights. Happily, the Democrats don’t seem to want to go down that path. So, yes, both sides have corrupt politicians. So what? But, both parties are not equal these days in terms of their awfulness. As to your point about senators getting appointed rather than elected, I really have no idea how that is relevant to this thread. Welcome to the board. I’m sure you’ll be contributing great things here. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/34 "2018-12-22T14:39:04Z")
Has **Bricker** weighed in? Don’t the Democratic legislators have a fiduciary duty to the voters who elected them to use all legal means to strengthen their power? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/35 "2018-12-22T18:00:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Has **Bricker** weighed in? Don’t the Democratic legislators have a fiduciary duty to the voters who elected them to use all legal means to strengthen their power? In the latest Wisconsin shenanigans thread, **puddleglum** played the part of “if it’s legal and it helps my side, it’s good”, not **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/36 "2018-12-22T18:08:11Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > … > Welcome to the board. I’m sure you’ll be contributing great things here. Pretty great: > [@I can't believe they shut down TOP (The other Place)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-shut-down-top-the-other-place/826505/2): > > I also think kicking Alex Jones off of YouTube was JENSORSHIP > this shit freaks me out > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/eek.gif](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/eek.gif) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175/37 "2018-12-25T19:06:56Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Yes. And of course, the difference is that you can count on a meaningful proportion of “left wing” news sources and coters to call this kind of bad behavior out when it happens, instead of doubling-down on evil just because it comes from “your side.” This. We don’t have a Fox (Pravda) and don’t want one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-nj-dems/826175.md?page=1)