# Fucking Saudis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 31, 2011, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963 "2011-07-31T22:04:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/21 "2011-08-03T02:27:15Z")
Any pitting of Saudi Arabia is worth approving. This excuse for a country ranks second on my personal list of places that shouldn’t be allowed to exist any longer (the first being North Korea). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/22 "2011-08-03T12:16:16Z")
Say, why was it, when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the U.S. leaped to defend Saudi Arabia from being next in line? Like it’s worth defending?! ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/23 "2011-08-03T12:20:31Z")
I suppose you want me to defend them? ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/24 "2011-08-03T13:08:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m eagerly awaiting the arrival of controlled fusion. So would the middle east be more like modern Detroit but with no water or arable land; or the post-war former CSA with no water or arable land? And more PO’d religious fanatics? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/25 "2011-08-03T13:19:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Say, why was it, when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the U.S. leaped to defend Saudi Arabia from being next in line? Like it’s worth defending?! Oil. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/26 "2011-08-03T13:50:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m eagerly awaiting the arrival of controlled fusion. What, like, babaganoush knishes? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/27 "2011-08-03T14:47:31Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > So would the middle east be more like modern Detroit but with no water or arable land; or the post-war former CSA with no water or arable land? And more PO’d religious fanatics? :eek: If they’re determined to stay that way, we can’t stop them, but at least they’ll do it without oil revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/28 "2011-08-03T15:58:18Z")
They’ll do it without oil revenue sooner or later. \*Can \*you defend them, **Paul**? Give us the story on the ground? ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/29 "2011-08-03T16:08:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m eagerly awaiting the arrival of controlled fusion. Or, instead of waiting something with less chance of lottery jackpot, you could instead do your part to become energy independent, with solar, wind and water. It’s still strange to me that people who 20 years ago started dreaming of every household having their own miniature power plant in the cellar, with electric cars being charged and everything clean and local, no more monopolies for power producers or countries - that they are vehemently against solar, which is all of these things, but “costs too much”. Which in the US seems to mean “no government sponorship, so the payback takes longer than 5 years, so it’s not worthwhile it”. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/30 "2011-08-03T16:22:35Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Any pitting of Saudi Arabia is worth approving. > > This excuse for a country ranks second on my personal list of places that shouldn’t be allowed to exist any longer (the first being North Korea). Because a failed state like Somalia is obviously better than trying to work to get an existing country to change. :rolleyes: If the OP really wants to do anything (besides just ranting), there are two options: 1. Get involved with human right groups that are already trying to change things there and work with them. 2. Change everything in your household to renewable energy; lobby your city, state and congress/ senate man to switch to renewable energies. If the West stops pouring oil money there, it’s easier to tell them what behavior is unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/31 "2011-08-03T16:42:55Z")
> [@constanze](#): > > Or, instead of waiting something with less chance of lottery jackpot, you could instead do your part to become energy independent, with solar, wind and water. Well, I had the foresight to be born in Quebec, so I’m already way ahead of the curve in that respect. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/32 "2011-08-03T16:47:37Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, I had the foresight to be born in Quebec, so I’m already way ahead of the curve in that respect. Is Quebec energy-independent? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/33 "2011-08-03T19:12:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Is Quebec energy-independent? More so than most, what with all the hydro-electric infrastucture. We even export electricity to Vermont and elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/34 "2011-08-03T21:09:02Z")
So you are shunning Saudi Arabia for it’s unequal treatment of women? You are saying that they need to join the 21st Century? A little misguided and hipocritical, I think, considering the United States’ views and treatment of homosexuals. At least Saudi Arabia doesn’t claim to be “Land of the Free”. Saudi Arabia will be straight up and say women are not equal. While America likes to pretend it is the moral authority of the planet Earth and _everyone_ is and should be treated equally. But in practice we fall far short of those “ideals”. We can criticize Saudi Arabia as soon as we’ve lived up to our own stated morals, values and our Constitutional ideals. Until then, we should be ashamed of ourselves and should try to not bring attention to this by openly condeming other countries’ behavior toward women and minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/35 "2011-08-03T21:10:53Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > A little misguided and hipocritical, I think You’re wrong, it’s neither. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/36 "2011-08-03T21:38:04Z")
You’re wrong, it’s both. That passes for a complete argument now, right? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/37 "2011-08-03T21:43:19Z")
Well, I could provide dictionary cites, but I hate those, so I’ll just say you’re fulla shit and be done with it. You go, op! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/38 "2011-08-03T21:49:12Z")
I believe we should fuck the Saudis, first, by shelling their homes, and then, when they flee into the streets, throwing our oiled naked bodies on top of theirs and having our wicked will of them. And, then, letting the Brits go next. I realize these views are unpopular, but I have never courted popularity. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/39 "2011-08-03T22:10:09Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Because Afghanistan probably is: That is just…words fail me. How can a whole society be that fucked in the head? ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963/40 "2011-08-03T23:33:48Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > So you are shunning Saudi Arabia for it’s unequal treatment of women? You are saying that they need to join the 21st Century? > > A little misguided and hipocritical, I think, considering the United States’ views and treatment of homosexuals. At least Saudi Arabia doesn’t claim to be “Land of the Free”. Saudi Arabia will be straight up and say women are not equal. While America likes to pretend it is the moral authority of the planet Earth and _everyone_ is and should be treated equally. But in practice we fall far short of those “ideals”. > > We can criticize Saudi Arabia as soon as we’ve lived up to our own stated morals, values and our Constitutional ideals. Until then, we should be ashamed of ourselves and should try to not bring attention to this by openly condeming other countries’ behavior toward women and minorities. Wow, that is an exceptionally ridiculous notion. Nobody is perfect. Heterosexuals (both men and women), enjoy far more rights in the United States (and many, if not most, other nations) than they do in Saudi Arabia. Homosexuals are not free from discrimination in the United States, or most of the world. But homosexuals are persecuted far harsher in Saudi Arabia than in the United States. > **[LGBTQ rights in Saudi Arabia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia)** > > Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) people in Saudi Arabia face repression and discrimination. The government of Saudi Arabia provides no legal protections for LGBTQ rights. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal within the country.: 135–136  > The law of Saudi Arabia is uncodified; a Wahhabist interpretation of sharia, derived from the Quran and the Sunnah, is the basis of the law and justice system.: 205  In particular, the Quranic account of the prophet Lu... Oh, and you spelled hypocritical wrong. Of course, the United States, the UK, and other Western countries sell billions in arms to the Saudi government. [http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=376&PID=0&IID=5177&TTL=Arms\_for\_the\_King\_and\_His\_Family:\_The\_U.S.\_Arms\_Sale\_to\_Saudi\_Arabia](http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=376&PID=0&IID=5177&TTL=Arms_for_the_King_and_His_Family:_The_U.S._Arms_Sale_to_Saudi_Arabia) > **[Turkish News - Latest News from Turkey - Hürriyet Daily News](https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/)** > > Hürriyet Daily News is the leading news source for Turkey and the region. > **[Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia | Defense spending](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Saudi_Arabia#Defense_spending)** > > Spending on defense and security has increased significantly since the mid-1990s and was about US$67 billion in 2013. Saudi Arabia ranks among the top five nations in the world in government spending for its military, representing about 9% of GDP in 2013. Its modern, high-technology arsenal makes Saudi Arabia among the world's most densely armed nations, with its military equipment being supplied primarily by the United States, France, and Britain. According to SIPRI, in 2010–14 Saudi Arabia The... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-saudis/590963.md?page=3)