# Fucking Savages (Al Qaeda) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 18, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080 "2004-06-18T17:56:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2004, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/61 "2004-06-19T11:07:30Z")
> [@Blown & Injected](#): > > anybody that has watched or read or listened to any interview with a Muslim, has heard the that person say, if the question is asked, something to the effect of the US brought it on because of their foreign policy - that often translates to: because you are Jew lovers. That is being sympathetic to the terrorists you dumb fuck. Bullshit. I’m not about to call you a “dumb fuck” because ad hominem arguments don’t do it for me. I can call your argument horse shit, though, and I will. I could pick out any number of statements by Muslims that totally condemn Al Qaeda. In fact, [here](http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php) is a whole page of them. Sample quotes: > [@](#): > > The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) grouping 57 Muslim states condemned Wednesday the previous day’s attacks on the United States, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported. > > “We condemn these savage and criminal acts which are anathema to all human conventions and values and the monotheist religions, led by Islam,” OIC secretary general Abdel Wahad Belkaziz said in a statement. > > Renowned Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi encouraged Muslims to donate blood to the victims of the attacks and said that helping the victims with blood and money is considered a charity. > > In a special interview with IslamOnline, al-Qaradawi said that any sane Muslim who abides by Islamic laws would have never caused the incident. He added that acts of terrorism are a crime regardless of the nationality or religious backgrounds of the victims. > [@](#): > > Dozens of scholars of Islam issued a statement today, condemning the violent attacks of September 11th. > > “We are grief-stricken at these horrifying events,” they wrote; “the murder of innocents can never be justified and must not be tolerated.” > [@](#): > > Whoever is responsible for these dreadful, wanton attacks, we condemn them utterly. These are senseless and evil acts that appal all people of conscience. The MCB [Muslim Council of Britain] stands shoulder to shoulder with remarks made by our Prime Minister Tony Blair. Our thoughts and prayers are with all the innocent victims, their families and communities. We convey our deepest sympathies to President Bush and the people of America. No cause can justify this carnage. Read, educate yourself, and try not to see the world in stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![Blown\_Injected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@Blown\_Injected](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blown_Injected)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2004, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/62 "2004-06-19T11:22:11Z")
Sorry, I’ve been up all night and I did just go off half cocked. I know about all the condemnations. However, after expressing extreme disgust, if asked if they believe the US is responsible or brought it on…The answer is yes, the US shares in the responsibility for one reason or another. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2004, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/63 "2004-06-19T11:30:36Z")
OK, the USA isn’t the most popular nation in the Middle East, it’s true. But (and I’m not including you in this) when you see people in the US saying the “whole Middle East should be nuked into glass” because of what a small band of terrorists in Al Qaeda cells does, it’s not a lot different from seeing the man in the street in Baghdad or Gaza venting anger at the US because of what a small band of terrorists in the White House does. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2004, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/64 "2004-06-19T12:25:26Z")
> [@litost](#): > > **Testy** > \ > I am interested in knowing a couple of things: > (i) The article talks highly of Crown Prince Abdullah. Is he in a position to take over and institute reforms? > (ii) Is the average Saudi a true believer in Wahhabism? If yes, I wonder how that can be helped. CP Abdullah is pretty much in charge already. The king has health problems so severe that he is barely hanging on and has no time for governing. I am unsure what kind of reform the CP _can_ make. To really change much, the guy would have to repudiate the Wahabbi doctrine that legitimizes the house of Saud, something that ain’t gonna happen. The other changes he would need to make are social but that can’t happen without rooting the immams out of the government. The Saudis have a “separation of church and state” problem and I don’t see a way out for him. The Sauds have allowed the immams to get into the government in a big way. Education is run by mutawwa or “Hiya” and they have put a hard-line religious slant on every course for the previous 30 years or so. The immams are also heavily into the security sector which is a **very** bad thing right now. Due to the schools having a hard-line slant for years, the average Saudi **does** believe in the Wahabbi doctrines. This makes him automatically xenophobic with a special hatred of anything Jewish. The royal family is educated abroad and so are much more open minded about such things. “Abdullah Aveerage” pretty much believes what he has been taught all his life. Best regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2004, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/65 "2004-06-19T13:04:35Z")
**Testy** , Stay safe, please. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/66 "2004-06-19T14:20:37Z")
> [@gum](#): > > **Testy** , Stay safe, please. Thanks for the kind wishes. Given the local attitudes, a kind wish is appreciated. On a different topic, when is the next Amsterdam dope? Amsterdope? I’ve got to go up there next month if business allows. All the best. Testy ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/67 "2004-06-20T06:32:04Z")
You’ll be in Amsterdam, next month, **Testy**? That’s so cool. Unfortunately I can’t leave home, but if **Coldfire** or any other Dutchie will arrange something, I’ll be sure you’ll get some drinks [or something stronger - ahem -] on me. Mail me, if you like. Address in my profile. Have fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/68 "2004-06-20T07:00:43Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Forgive this post, please, but i had the oddest thought. . . > > Al Qaeda must be _Babylon 5_ fans because their tactics and goals remind me of the Drakh and their stratagems of terror and revenge in Season 5. Except that these terrorists are not Drakh. They are just plain drek! ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/69 "2004-06-20T20:55:36Z")
**Blown & Injected** , what I meant was, you said that you “wanted to” wish for a total wipeout of the ME because you bet most were sympathetic. In that sense, you were betting with their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Blown\_Injected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@Blown\_Injected](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blown_Injected)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/70 "2004-06-21T04:28:23Z")
Ah, now I see. Perhaps unclear on my part: **makes me want to** wish…but I know better ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/71 "2004-06-21T06:32:08Z")
> [@Inigo Montoya](#): > > WHAT!? We’ve invaded California? JEEZUSS when will the madness end! Sarcasm aside, you DID invade California. Carry on.- ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/72 "2004-06-22T17:01:10Z")
Aw fuck… CNN Breaking news - Al-Jazeera TV reports Iraqi militant group has killed South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il. CNN working to confirm. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080/73 "2004-06-22T19:40:47Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Aw fuck… > > CNN Breaking news - > > Al-Jazeera TV reports Iraqi militant group has killed South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il. CNN working to confirm. Yeah, it looks like beheading is going to catch on. I think the shock and horror of Westerners at seeing someone in two (or more) pieces is something the average terrorist really enjoys. On the up-side, there are a few less of those sons of bitches alive in Saudi today. I really hope the Iraqis go with some Saudi-style justice on these ass holes when (if) they catch them. Regards Testy [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-savages-al-qaeda/251080.md?page=3)