# Fucking scammer motherfuckers

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 28, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240 "2022-12-28T21:57:44Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/421 "2024-04-15T00:16:19Z")

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> [@Maserschmidt](#):
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> What is meant by this?

[![](https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-02-2014/hTwB3Q.gif) ](https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-02-2014/hTwB3Q.gif)

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**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/422 "2024-04-16T10:27:46Z")

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Hi Maserschmidt, thanks for asking about this scammer. The client was complaining that she’d never met this woman before. The con artist was quite bold so the family and employer were told of it. I’ll bet attempted scams like that happen occasionally in places like grocery stores.  
I liked the clip from Anasthama too! LOL

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/423 "2024-05-16T22:08:27Z")

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Just spotted in my spam folder:

Wells Fargo Fraud Detection \<hbaier.cappel @ [t-online.de](http://t-online.de)\>

Yeah, suure you are.

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**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/424 "2024-05-21T05:39:31Z")

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Pig butchers target Japan. Chart and text from Bloomberg:

[![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:kem5cevl5sjpizk4s27cbyig/bafkreihoohcgr7kbpyqfnaptgrcghhxcqxdlbdqwzugpseanrh4qjkhqym@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:kem5cevl5sjpizk4s27cbyig/bafkreihoohcgr7kbpyqfnaptgrcghhxcqxdlbdqwzugpseanrh4qjkhqym@jpeg)

Yes, she downloaded a scam-app. She invests about $200,000; app eventually shows a $1 million balance.

> The civil servant was initially able to take out small amounts from the trading account, but in December when she tried to withdraw the balance of her account she discovered she couldn’t. The app turned out to be a fake — her money had ended up in someone’s pocket, not in stock markets.

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The Chinese mafia is very efficient: they divide their workforce into two groups, herders and butchers. The herders try to attract new marks: those are the people posting on twitter, facebook, WhatsApp, tiktok and tinder. Once they’ve roped someone in, the account is passed to the butchers who run a much slower romance-scam or a variant listed in their handbook.

Herders try to take the conversation off of the twitter direct message and on to telegram or WhatsApp.

I’m thinking of disrupting their herder model a little. Steps:

a) compile a list of anti-scam websites.

b) Reply to the scammer publicly, thanking them for the follow and warning them of pig-butchering scams, along with a link.

c) If they have no public activity (likely) follow them back. When they DM you, say you only interact with accounts that have some public activity. If they are enticed to make a post, circle back to step b).

I’m getting like 3 or 4 follows per day from these scammers which is ok, but I’d like to take them down a peg.

Cite:

> **[Pig Butchering Scam: From Tinder and TikTok to WhatsApp and Telegram, How...](https://www.tenable.com/blog/pig-butchering-scam-tinder-tiktok-whatsapp-telegram-scammers-steal-millions)**
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> In part one of a two-part series on Pig butchering, we detail the pervasive scam that has impacted thousands of victims around the world, resulting in the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars. This blog highlights the who and the how of Pig...

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With Russian bots, I used to present Turing tests like, “Do you agree that Putin is a tyrant who murders Russians?” along with a link to articles on the [Russian apartment bombings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings) which brought Putin to power. For every reply, they got another link to anti-Putin content.

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**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/425 "2024-05-22T05:03:18Z")

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I may have told this story here before, but here goes again.

Does anyone remember the American reporter who got Ebola during the 2014 West African outbreak, while he was covering it? Anyway, I followed his Twitter/X feed for a while, and a couple years later, he was doing some reporting from Nigeria, and while he was there, one of those Nigerian scammers offered him $10,000US a month, cash, to do Skype or FaceTime with him. He said it was because people would be more likely to fall for it if they saw a white person with an American or Canadian accent.

He declined.

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**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/426 "2024-05-22T20:20:39Z")

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I just got a message on Instagram from a supposed young woman who shares a few friends with me. She is from the area but she is out of town for a while. You see she’s in the US Army and currently deployed to Israel to help with the crisis.

I replied that if she’s in the US Army and deployed to Israel that she shouldn’t be telling me that. She, who I just met, asked me to keep the secret between us.

Romance scam?

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/427 "2024-05-22T21:56:00Z")

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I got one of the Medicare scam calls. While making enough vague uh-huh noises to get past the opneing bot, I noticed my phone has an “Audio Emojis” option. When the human scammer got on the line, I sent him a couple audio “poop” emojis (basically loud obnoxious fart sounds) until he hung up.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/428 "2024-05-26T15:41:11Z")

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I was just messaged about the $11.36 I owe to the Oregon Sunspass Toll System, with a convenient link to take care of the problem. The Oregon Toll System is not named “Sunspass”.  
In fact, it isn’t named _anything_ because it doesn’t exist.

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**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/429 "2024-05-26T16:50:53Z")

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Sounds like you were just invited to The Oregon Rail.

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/430 "2024-05-26T17:37:24Z")

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Take care you don’t get dysentery.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/431 "2024-05-26T19:52:18Z")

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[![](https://i.imgur.com/hHkZAUx.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/hHkZAUx.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/432 "2024-05-30T01:24:23Z")

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I got an unknown call last week. Usually I ignore, but occasionally I answer.

i connected, and said nothing for a few seconds, then “You’re a scammer”.

This met with a very helpful response involving lots of “FUCK”. Which I appreciated, as I had no fucks of my own to give.

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**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/433 "2024-05-30T01:40:12Z")

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> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#):
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> Pig butchers target Japan. Chart and text from Bloomberg:

In _Number Go Up_ which is about the crypto scam, Zeke Faux goes to Cambodia to find the enormous compound where the pig butchering scamming slaves are kept. They are mostly poor young people lured to the country for a prospective job, kidnapped, tortured and beaten for not keeping their quotas.

I think about that every time I’m tempted to give a scammer a hard time.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/434 "2024-05-30T04:02:30Z")

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> [@Mama\_Zappa](#):
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> i connected, and said nothing for a few seconds, then “You’re a scammer”.

When I get a phone call and hear silence, I wait a few seconds, say “Hello,” wait a few more seconds, and if there is nothing I hang up.

I believe the robodialer programs are expecting a greeting right away and if they don’t hear anything they don’t kick in. That’s why I give the first pause. I give the second pause in case there’s a real person who was politely waiting and was unusually quiet to the point of absolute silence.

So far this has helped me avoid talking to a lot of spammers.

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/435 "2024-05-30T14:34:05Z")

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My phone got an upgrade that includes something called “Audio Emojis”. I didn’t pay much attention to it, until it occurred to me that the audio “poop” emoji (basically the sound of a loud obnoxious fart) would be a perfect response to phone scammers.

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**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/436 "2024-05-31T18:42:07Z")

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Just got a call from a local area code. It went:  
"Call from " (supposed to be a name, but a voice just said Hello) “To accept, press 1. To send a voicemail, press 2”.

WTF??

I googled the number and got nothing useful.

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**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/437 "2024-05-31T19:16:47Z")

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> [@Mama\_Zappa](#):
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> I googled the number and got nothing useful.

Is there any decent, _free_ place left to do a reverse phone # lookup? I don’t care about the owners criminal convictions & I’m not willing to pay 99¢ to look up 5 phone #s in the next 24 hrs because I only have one that I want to look up, I just had some curiosity to know who called me, but not that much.

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**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/438 "2024-05-31T19:21:17Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> I believe the robodialer programs are expecting a greeting right away and if they don’t hear anything they don’t kick in. That’s why I give the first pause. I give the second pause in case there’s a real person who was politely waiting and was unusually quiet to the point of absolute silence.

I’ve noticed this, too, and I react the same as you do. If I pick up at all, that is.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/439 "2024-05-31T19:23:07Z")

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> [@carrps](#):
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> If I pick up at all, that is.

I wish I could ignore any and all unfamiliar callers but I get too many legitimate ones to avoid all of them.

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**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-scammer-motherfuckers/977240/440 "2024-05-31T19:24:05Z")

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Yeah, sometimes I’m waiting for a particular call and not sure how it’s going to be displayed, so I do pick up occasionally.

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