# Fucking U.S. Government **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975 "2015-01-27T02:46:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/61 "2015-01-28T00:32:39Z")
Really though, could we please discuss the issue at hand. To fuck the U.S. government, how many are we talking about, let’s say 5 minutes per person screwing in ten hour shifts. Is it even possible or is the turnover too quick for Honest4U to achieve his dream? ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/62 "2015-01-28T00:39:24Z")
MKUltra really did happen, though. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/63 "2015-01-28T03:00:56Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Dang. I knew I’m missing some snippets of news, what with living in China. But I’m in the capital city and figured that the really important stuff would still get through. How did I miss Williamson County, Texas taking over all of the US government? Okay. I’m cool with that, since I really can’t do anything about it from this far remove. So for you folks back in the US, how has that worked out? Honestly? It kinda sucks. It wasn’t near as good a plan as we’d imagined. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/64 "2015-01-28T03:18:32Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Really though, could we please discuss the issue at hand. To fuck the U.S. government, how many are we talking about, let’s say 5 minutes per person screwing in ten hour shifts. Is it even possible or is the turnover too quick for Honest4U to achieve his dream? Are we talking strictly politicians here, or civil servants as well? And how do we deal with contractors? Maybe just a quick handy? ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/65 "2015-01-28T03:27:17Z")
You know, I live in Williamson County, Texas. (BTW, I have to say, I knew the join date of this OP before looking so I guess I am psychic.) **Barking Dog** has it right about Hutto. However, some parts of Williamson County are quite civilized. I have to go now and polish my tinfoil helmet. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/66 "2015-01-28T03:33:56Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > FYI, The Barnhouse is closing down. The perfect destination for this thread! ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/67 "2015-01-28T03:51:18Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Why do so many lunatics have a problem with naptime? I bet if they napped more, they’d be saner, too. Or at least more silent, which works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/68 "2015-01-28T08:08:28Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Yeah, the dude writes like a crazy person. Not disputing that. Nor do I see the connection between WILCO prison and the federal government. Also, I have no clue how one would find out about radiation experiments, as it is basically undetectable, unless he’s walking around with a Geiger counter around his neck. And the food thing is probably a complaint about bad food or GMO food gone taken to the extreme. > > However, getting jailed on trumped up charges, being tortured by guards, forced to take psych pills against your wishes, and committed to a mental institution after your release sounds like par for the course if you’re poor and weird in this country. Also, though I haven’t seen any evidence for it, experimenting on prisoners is quite believable to me. > > I’m not saying let’s start a movement based on the OP’s ramblings, but it doesn’t even rise to the level of “Obama was born in Kenya”, let alone 9/11 truthers or Apollo CTs. If I read “Texas prison tortures inmates and feeds them experimental food” in the newspaper, it wouldn’t shock me in the slightest. It would just be another in a long line of government abuses that continue to this day. Cool story bro. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/69 "2015-01-28T09:19:50Z")
> [@Savannah](#): > > MKUltra really did happen, though. Yep. And they couldn’t even cover it up. ---
**Author:** ![Ionizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5daacb/32.png) [@Ionizer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ionizer)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/70 "2015-01-28T14:02:15Z")
Fwiw, I knew more than a few Williamson County, TX LEO’s over a period of years (long ago) and I found them to be the most despicable-type of LEO’s possile. I know, literally of more than a few, laughingly, telling me as we drank beers, of planting ‘evidence’ and/or blatantly lying against ‘defendant’ in order to increase the arrest/conviction rate. I also once sat in a courtroom and watched a judge allow a LEO with less than a month’s experience total in police-experience be declared a child-abuse/psychological-abuse ‘expert’ and the defendant was screwed over by totally ridiculous statements made by the officer. I was there with the ‘high-power’ attorney representing defendant pro-bono who was employing me for grunt work during my college days, fwiw. The attorney was certain the case had zero evidence, and Doc’s report even said so. Defendant lost based on just the inexperienced, non-qualified cop who said he saw things that even the child said did not happen. Just an example - and I had LOTS of ear-time with various Wmson Cty LEO’s as I knew one of the deputies rather well. Grew up with him, so to speak. I can’t stand by the OP, but I KNOW that the difference between Travis County/Austin and Wmson Cnty was (is still?) huge in the area of LEO morality - or it was up until around 10 years ago. I was very close to a number of Travis County deputies as well as Austin PD folk back then. Sure, its possible Wmson has ‘straightened’ out, but I doubt it. IIRC, there was a documentary awhile back where a group of folks were trying to expose ‘cover-ups’/faking of cases by videotaping the LEO’s actions, etc. I am pretty sure Wmson Cnty LEO was filmed doing various ‘set-ups’ or such and then, when, the boss-man was offered the videos, he refused to address them. Or along those lines anyways. I wish I could remember enough to Google that docu - it was hugely revealing about that LEO agency. And I could only say that it was not a surprise at all. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/71 "2015-01-28T16:11:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Meh. The big secret of Area 51 is that all the good stuff was actually stored in Area 52. As for who shot Kennedy, everyone knows by now that after all, it was you and me. Idiot, you blew their cover! Now they’re going to have to activate Area 53! Um, oops … ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/72 "2015-01-28T18:14:01Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > > [@Honest4U](#): > > > > but you are crazy (so, no one will believe you ever!)". > > Welp, you got one thing right. Two things. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/73 "2015-01-28T18:36:56Z")
> [@Ionizer](#): > > … > IIRC, there was a documentary awhile back where a group of folks were trying to expose ‘cover-ups’/faking of cases by videotaping the LEO’s actions, etc. I am pretty sure Wmson Cnty LEO was filmed doing various ‘set-ups’ or such and then, when, the boss-man was offered the videos, he refused to address them. Or along those lines anyways. I wish I could remember enough to Google that docu - it was hugely revealing about that LEO agency. And I could only say that it was not a surprise at all. Could this be it? [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sMcW9qO-gfI/hqdefault.jpg "Search for Justice - Corruption in Wlliamson County Texas") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMcW9qO-gfI) > [@](#): > > The long-running, award-winning “Jeff Davis Show” from Austin, Texas proudly presents “Search for Justice (or Stay Out of Williamson County, Texas)”. Mike Hanson, longtime TV producer and documentary filmmaker, blows the lid off Wilco. This 2 hour documentary details the rampant police abuse and corruption inside the Williamson County injustice system. Contains exclusive interviews with Alex Jones, Dessie Andrews, Keith Perry, Ross Wilsey, Patricia Moore, Keith Campbell, Jimmy “Pokey” Ritter and dozens of others. There’s also this: > **[Michael Morton (criminal justice)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Morton_%28criminal_justice%29)** > > Michael Morton (born August 12, 1954) is an American who was wrongfully convicted in 1987 in a Williamson County, Texas court of the 1986 murder of his wife Christine Morton. He spent nearly 25 years in prison before he was exonerated by DNA evidence which supported his claim of innocence and pointed to the crime being committed by another individual. Morton was released from prison on October 4, 2011, and another man, Mark Alan Norwood, was convicted of the murder in 2013. The prosecutor in the ... > [@](#): > > Michael Morton (born August 12, 1954) is an American who was wrongfully convicted in 1987 in a Williamson County, Texas court of the 1986 murder of his wife Christine Morton. He spent nearly 25 years in prison before he was exonerated by DNA evidence which supported his claim of innocence and pointed to the crime being committed by another individual. Morton was released from prison on October 4, 2011; the prosecutor was convicted of contempt of court for withholding evidence after the judge had ordered its release to the defense. > … > The Morton case is also depicted in a 2013 documentary film, An Unreal Dream: The Michael Morton Story, directed by Al Reinert. The film was featured on CNN Films December 8, 2013 and re-aired throughout the month. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/74 "2015-01-28T20:40:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Dang. I knew I’m missing some snippets of news, what with living in China. But I’m in the capital city and figured that the really important stuff would still get through. How did I miss Williamson County, Texas taking over all of the US government? Okay. I’m cool with that, since I really can’t do anything about it from this far remove. So for you folks back in the US, how has that worked out? It’s been pretty much “same-'ol, same-'ol”. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/75 "2015-01-28T20:57:37Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > It’s been pretty much “same-'ol, same-'ol”. Yeah, bull riding strippers, cowboy strippers, monster truck rally strippers, you know, the usual. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/76 "2015-01-28T21:02:25Z")
Don’t forget the gun toting strippers. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/77 "2015-01-28T21:19:42Z")
Yeah, especially the ones who concealed carry. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/78 "2015-01-28T21:41:19Z")
Must be a very small caliber. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/79 "2015-01-28T22:31:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Dang. I knew I’m missing some snippets of news, what with living in China. But I’m in the capital city and figured that the really important stuff would still get through. How did I miss Williamson County, Texas taking over all of the US government? They didn’t take it over, they _collaborate_ with it! Williamson County arrests everybody in sight, and the Army and Navy use the victims to test radiation machines and re-engineered food. It’s quite handy, really. ---
**Author:** ![Ionizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5daacb/32.png) [@Ionizer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ionizer)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975/80 "2015-01-29T00:07:02Z")
**DavidM** : that does appear to be the one I recall. Only saw a couple minutes, but sure seemed familiar to what I recall. Thx! I can say with certainty that the antics/attitudes of Wmson Cnty were still being done well into the 90’s from what I heard personally during times of meeting/phone calls with a particular LEO (whom I no longer have any contact with for such reasons, fwiw). Difference between Austin and Wmson Cnty were like night and day back then, for damn sure, IME. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fucking-u-s-government/710975.md?page=5)