# Fuckity Fuck - McCain's Going to Win **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834 "2008-08-04T19:06:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/241 "2008-08-10T23:13:56Z")
[QUOTE=Suse] [From a PUMA voter](http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/in-response-to-salon-why-clinton-voters-say-they-wont-support-obama/) [/QUOTE] That’s a collection of half truths and boilerplate, guilt by association slander along with the specious protest that he’s “inexperienced.” He’s just as experienced as Hillary. That whole page just supports **gonzomax’s** observation about disingenuous excuse-making to a tee. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/242 "2008-08-10T23:17:01Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] They’re obviously dirty, dirty liars. They…they **have** to be. [/QUOTE] Did you even read the link. It’s just standard, knuckle-walking, character assassination. There’s nary a reasoned political or ideological difference to be had. This is not a rational articulation of political differences, it’s petty, immature whining and name-calling, and it all goes completely against their own stated political interests. I hope these bitches enjoy watching the return to coat hanger abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/243 "2008-08-10T23:22:21Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Huh? WTF? Can you \*support \* “the basic truth” of what you said there? If not, then derision is not only deserved but _required_. [/QUOTE] Yes. Read his voting record. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/244 "2008-08-11T00:03:39Z")
Voting record of Barack Obama. [Full list](http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/) from the Washington Post. [Grouped by issue](http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490) from Project Vote Smart. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/245 "2008-08-11T00:10:53Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] Yes. Read his voting record. [/QUOTE] Which, for you, is synonymous with “No”. What votes of Obama’s strike you as notable “socialistic”? Oh, wait, I get it, you think that word is synonymous with “Democratic”, right? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/246 "2008-08-11T00:11:12Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Did you even read the link. [/QUOTE] So, they’re dirty, dirty liars, then. Jesus, like I really need to defend these people, but… Please dispute their concerns about his voting record. Please dispute their concerns about his voting incorrectly. Please dispute their concerns about his associations. Please dispute their concerns about his flip-flops. Now, you **disagreeing** with those concerns does not address them. No, you’ve decided they’re racist liars, and that’s what they will be. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/247 "2008-08-11T00:44:26Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] Without, you know, explaining exactly HOW his church was racist. It just _is_, you know? [/QUOTE] [Their own mission statement](http://www.tucc.org/about.htm) > [@](#): > > We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. And you have, I trust, heard of Rev. Wright? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/248 "2008-08-11T01:19:10Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] So, they’re dirty, dirty liars, then. Jesus, like I really need to defend these people, but… Please dispute their concerns about his voting record. Please dispute their concerns about his voting incorrectly. Please dispute their concerns about his associations. Please dispute their concerns about his flip-flops. Now, you **disagreeing** with those concerns does not address them. No, you’ve decided they’re racist liars, and that’s what they will be. [/QUOTE] I didn’t say they were liars (although not everything in there is truthful). I’m saying they’re retards and that their “concern” are contrived and disingenuous. The “associations” thing is too stupid and too well hashed to require a response (but they lied and said he goes to a “racist church”). The voting record is disingenous. He voted “present” on some bills because the legislative process requires that bills go through various drafts before a good one is accepted. They’re making things up to pretend to be upset about. I can say this with confidence because every single one of their contrived objections can be equally made about Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/249 "2008-08-11T01:26:19Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] [Their own mission statement](http://www.tucc.org/about.htm) And you have, I trust, heard of Rev. Wright? [/QUOTE] There’s nothing racist either about that statement or about anything Wright ever said. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/250 "2008-08-11T01:26:29Z")
Really? What is Hillary’s history of voting “present” or of going to racist churches? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/251 "2008-08-11T01:29:45Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Really? What is Hillary’s history of voting “present” or of going to racist churches? [/QUOTE] I don’t know about how many times she’s voted “present.” She hasn’t had to vote on as many bills as Obama has. I know she voted catastrophically _wrong_ on giving Bush the authority to go into Iraq. As far as racist churches – as far as I know, neither she nor Obama has ever attended a racist church. Obama’s denomination is 99% white. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/252 "2008-08-11T01:29:49Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] There’s nothing racist either about that statement or about anything Wright ever said. [/QUOTE] I’ll take “Rivers in Egypt” for $200, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/253 "2008-08-11T01:31:12Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] I’ll take “Rivers in Egypt” for $200, Alex. [/QUOTE] Cite something Wright said that was racist. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/254 "2008-08-11T01:32:25Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I don’t know about how many times she’s voted “present.” [/quote] Then this statement of yours: “I can say this with confidence because every single one of their contrived objections can be equally made about Hillary.” was a lie, hmm? Time to wipe the foam off your lips, fool. You’re not helping anybody at all, least of all Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/255 "2008-08-11T01:33:48Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I didn’t say they _have_ to vote for him. I’m just noting that they’re voting against the political issues they identify themselves as agreeing with without volunteering any explanation as to why. [/QUOTE] Why do they owe you an explanation? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/256 "2008-08-11T01:36:25Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Cite something Wright said that was racist. [/QUOTE] There is zero chance that you would consider the possibility, isn’t there? You do know the news stories, and you must have seen the videos, or at least have no excuse for not doing so before entering the subject. The central cite for his church’s racism, a topic which admittedly is debatable but not dismissible, was provided by the church itself, a bit upstream. Did you even fucking \*read \*it? :rolleyes: Here’s a clue: Obama is _human_. Yes, I realize that may come as a shock to you, but deep in your hate-filled little heart you know it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/257 "2008-08-11T01:40:03Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Why do they owe you an explanation? [/QUOTE] Because they want to fuck up my country. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/258 "2008-08-11T01:41:42Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] There is zero chance that you would consider the possibility, isn’t there? You do know the news stories, and you must have seen the videos, or at least have no excuse for not doing so before entering the subject. The central cite for his church’s racism, a topic which admittedly is debatable but not dismissible, was provided by the church itself, a bit upstream. Did you even fucking \*read \*it? :rolleyes: Here’s a clue: Obama is _human_. Yes, I realize that may come as a shock to you, but deep in your hate-filled little heart you know it’s true. [/QUOTE] I’ve seen every video and heard every quote. He never said one thing that was racist. We had a whole thread about this a couple of months ago and no once could cite anything about Wright or Trinity that was racist. ---
**Author:** ![baronsabato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baronsabato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/baronsabato)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/259 "2008-08-11T01:44:10Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] There is zero chance that you would consider the possibility, isn’t there? You do know the news stories, and you must have seen the videos, or at least have no excuse for not doing so before entering the subject. The central cite for his church’s racism, a topic which admittedly is debatable but not dismissible, was provided by the church itself, a bit upstream. Did you even fucking \*read \*it? :rolleyes: Here’s a clue: Obama is _human_. Yes, I realize that may come as a shock to you, but deep in your hate-filled little heart you know it’s true. [/QUOTE] I don’t post often, and I certainly try never to venture into the Pit, but I _still_ don’t get what’s so racist about a church that celebrates and identifies with a specific culture. I mean, I’m not black, but I was brought up in a Chinese Baptist church, and I don’t get what’s so wrong with a church that is proud of its African heritage. Trinity UCC reads the Bible from a culture-specific theological standpoint; many other cultural groups, including Asian-Americans and Latino-Americans, do the same, but from their own particular context. In the UCC denomination, which has been pointed out is 99% white (more like 90%, but whatever), liberation theology, from many cultural contexts- not just black, is pretty common and hardly out of the mainstream. I dunno. I still don’t get what was racist about anything Rev. Wright said, or anything Trinity UCC is doing. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/260 "2008-08-11T01:45:46Z")
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