# Fuckity Fuck - McCain's Going to Win **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834 "2008-08-04T19:06:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/261 "2008-08-11T01:47:12Z")
Devil’s advocate: if nothing about Wright or his church was racist, doesn’t that reflect poorly on Obama for repudiating Wright and nudging him out of his role in the campaign? If nothing else, it’d certainly make people who didn’t know better think that there WAS something racist there… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/262 "2008-08-11T01:49:32Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Because they want to fuck up my country. [/QUOTE] Another lie. Why do you lie? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/263 "2008-08-11T01:49:57Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] Devil’s advocate: if nothing about Wright or his church was racist, doesn’t that reflect poorly on Obama for repudiating Wright and nudging him out of his role in the campaign? If nothing else, it’d certainly make people who didn’t know better think that there WAS something racist there… [/QUOTE] Obama never said Wright was racist. It’s possible to be inflammatory and be a distraction without being racist. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/264 "2008-08-11T01:51:08Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Another lie. Why do you lie? [/QUOTE] Who are you voting for, **Elvis**? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/265 "2008-08-11T01:57:47Z")
Got it. Anybody who doesn’t think your preferred candidate is the Messiah wants to “fuck up your country”. Right. :rolleyes: Have you \*always \*been this infantile? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/266 "2008-08-11T02:00:52Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Got it. Anybody who doesn’t think your preferred candidate is the Messiah wants to “fuck up your country”. Right. :rolleyes: Have you \*always \*been this infantile? [/QUOTE] Maybe they don’t realize it, but that would be the effective result of voting for a 3rd Bush term. I also don’t think Obama is the Messiah. I would have just as easily voted for Hillary. My motivation is to get the Republicans out of the White House. I don’t care who does it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/267 "2008-08-11T02:04:00Z")
[QUOTE=baronsabato] Trinity UCC reads the Bible from a culture-specific theological standpoint; many other cultural groups, including Asian-Americans and Latino-Americans, do the same, but from their own particular context. [/quote] And there’s the problem - focusing on the culture rather than the theology has an inevitable divisive result, does it not? It emphasizes the separateness of one’s culture in the human realm, not the unity of humanity under God. As I said, it’s debatable, but not disimissible, that that fits into a plausible definition of racism. > [@](#): > > In the UCC denomination, which has been pointed out is 99% white (more like 90%, but whatever) The “church” under discussion is that \*particular \*congregation in Chicago. There has never been any discussion I’m aware of that the UCC in general is a racist or hateful denomination, or supports those things. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/268 "2008-08-11T02:08:22Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Maybe they don’t realize it [/quote] You just said they “want to fuck up your country”. Why \*do \*you lie? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/269 "2008-08-11T02:13:42Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] You just said they “want to fuck up your country”. Why \*do \*you lie? [/QUOTE] He can’t help it, not that that’s any excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/270 "2008-08-11T02:19:51Z")
Well, **Dio’s** statement, I think, can be interpreted in one of two ways: 1. A **Der Trihs** -like “Republicans are evil who like to see people suffer.” 2. A statement that some people want to implement certain policies that will screw up the country. (Note no actual malice need be implied.) Now, given the number of times that **Dio** agrees with **Der Trihs** , I’m not saying #1 is out of the question, but he seems to be at least claiming he means #2. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/271 "2008-08-11T02:22:15Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] You just said they “want to fuck up your country”. Why \*do \*you lie? [/QUOTE] If you really want to parse it. let’s just say that, for whatever reason, be it childish vindictiveness or or latent bigotry, they want to irrationally vote against their own best interests, an against the best interests of their country. To bring it down to one issue of paramount importance to women, the Supreme Court is one seat away from overturning Roe. I have yet to hear a coherent explanation as to why it’s in the best interest of women to vote against the only candidate who will preserve their reproductive rights. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/272 "2008-08-11T02:26:50Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] Well, **Dio’s** statement, I think, can be interpreted in one of two ways [/quote] No, it cannot. Refresher: > [@Dio](#): > > Because they want to fuck up my country. Not “They want to enact policies that IMHO will fuck up the country”. > [@](#): > > he seems to be at least claiming he means #2. Yeah, _now_, he is. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/273 "2008-08-11T02:29:29Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] No, it cannot. Refresher:Not “They want to enact policies that IMHO will fuck up the country”. Yeah, _now_, he is. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] This kind of churlish over-literalism is really childish. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/274 "2008-08-11T02:32:21Z")
You said what you said. Do you accept responsibility for it or do you not? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/275 "2008-08-11T02:34:19Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] You said what you said. Do you accept responsibility for it or do you not? [/QUOTE] Full responsibility, your willful misinterpretation notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/276 "2008-08-11T02:52:57Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Who are you voting for, **Elvis**? [/QUOTE] He’s going to write in Hillary, come hell or high water. Such single-mindedness in the face of reality is sad to witness, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/277 "2008-08-11T03:02:11Z")
As a complete aside, is anyone else yelling “Cripple Fight!!!” reading Dio and Elvis’s posts to each other? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/278 "2008-08-11T09:37:55Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Yeah, that would be terrible if the corporations ceased to exist. [/QUOTE] The only job I’ve ever had that wasn’t through a corporation of some sort was when I was in the military (and it could be argued that a government is just a big non-profit form of a corporation). What would you propose to replace them with? Some sort of loose confederation of independent contractors? What kind of economy, let alone world, do you envision without companies in it? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/279 "2008-08-11T10:50:32Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] And there’s the problem - focusing on the culture rather than the theology has an inevitable divisive result, does it not? It emphasizes the separateness of one’s culture in the human realm, not the unity of humanity under God. As I said, it’s debatable, but not disimissible, that that fits into a plausible definition of racism. [/QUOTE] If you’re stretching the meaning that far then you’ve lost any meaningful definition for the sake of insisting you’re right. IMHO. If someone decides there service will be aimed at feeding the hungry does that mean they are prejudice against the sick? Is that a reasonable plausible conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/280 "2008-08-11T12:22:52Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Don’t be silly. I am saying the numbers don’t work . There are not enough people left to elect him when you take out the die hard war mongering republicans and the bigots. [/QUOTE] This is very poorly reasoned. You claim the “die hard war mongering republicans and the bigots” are open about it. So they would be in polls same as everyone else who does or doesn’t vote for Obama for any particular reason. But the objective fact is that Obama is winning. Either (a) you’re wrong about them being out in the open, or (b) you’re wrong that there’s enough of them. Which door do you choose? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834.md?page=15)