# Fuckity Fuck - McCain's Going to Win **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834 "2008-08-04T19:06:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/341 "2008-08-12T11:15:21Z")
[QUOTE=Suse] Not all want Hillary to be the nominee; I’ve read some who think that the country is so screwed up that whoever wins won’t be able to fix the problems and they would just as soon have Hillary nowhere near the mess. And as for it not being nearly half the voters, it might not behalf , but many have the same concerns and intend to vote for Obama. Are their concerns more entitled to be heard because they’re doing as they’re told? I thought protest when you believe a wrong is being committed was the patriotic thing to do? [/QUOTE] There’s no doubt in my mind that the next president won’t be able to solve all our problems. I’d be content to solve some of them and see us move in a better direction. I want to see us take serious steps toward solving problems instead of regressing even more. That’s why I think everyone who believes the Bush presidency has been horrible should get behind Obama to ensure the same group doesn’t wind up running things again. Protesting can be very patriotic but I’m not sure handing the White House over to the opposition is effective protest. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/342 "2008-08-12T11:20:50Z")
[QUOTE=Suse] So what you really want in a convention is that everyone shows up, goes “HOO RAH OBAMA!” and leaves. [/QUOTE] Revamping the primary system to eliminate caucases is a bit more than just a rules discussion, and would require buy-in from many other interested parties, as I mentioned somewhere above. It’s not something to be settled in the heat of a four day convention, for which the purpose is merely to select a Democratic candidate for president. The only purpose for them wanting to address that concern at the convention would be in the hopes that the convention gets a wild hair up its ass and votes to ban delegates selected by caucus starting right now. Will Rogers had it wrong; he should have said, “I am not a member of any organized circular firing squad, I am a Democrat.” ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/343 "2008-08-12T12:04:53Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] That was a lousy response. What do you mean.? That response was to Sarahfeena ,another who sees politics as a one issue problem. [/QUOTE] It was a reply to Sarahfeena? You [directly quoted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10088212&postcount=285) me! And you didn’t say a word about Sarahfeena. [QUOTE=gonzomax] Can you read? The OP was that McCain will win. Explain why these topics are irrelevant. All those are germane to the discussion. [/QUOTE] The [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10083335&postcount=218) that I responded to was not that McCain will win, it was that the overt racists made this a closer race than it should be. That’s what I responded to, that’s what I’m still waiting for an explanation on. [QUOTE=gonzomax] In response th your meddling answer, The fact that the election is supposedly close ,even though the repubs have fucked so many things up is a testimony to racism. That answer fits. The repubs should be getting slaughtered. [/QUOTE] You have yet to answer my objection. If the racists have no shame about their racism (“The number of people who feel free to say” I aint voting for no nigger " is scary."), why wouldn’t that be evident in the polling? They ask people questions like that - it’s not as if you’re the only person who thinks race is an angle here. How does “the answer fit”? If these people feel free to say it, why don’t we measure them saying it? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/344 "2008-08-12T12:05:52Z")
[QUOTE=Suse] Actually, the stuff I was hoping you would read is Heidi Li talking about the convention and her hope that the party would follow its own rules (also the part where she recognizes Obama’s achievement as the first black man to be a serious contender for the nomination). I imagine there’s copyright restrictions so I will post a couple of snippets: [/QUOTE] I never agreed with the supposed need to pick a candidate and stop tearing the party apart. It has been a very close race and I agree that the DNC should follow it’s own rules and let the delegates vote. If the DNC leaders have tried to circumvent their own process in an attempt to “unify” the party behind one candidate it’s a bad call. Honor the democratic process and let people vote. We can rally behind whomever wins. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/345 "2008-08-12T13:02:32Z")
Not to derail your hijack or anything, but here is an analysis that indicates that Obama just might actually have a chance of winning in November: [http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/12/13250/6630/932/566556](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/12/13250/6630/932/566556) ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/346 "2008-08-13T01:32:44Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I’m not prying into anyone’s private business, dipshit, I’m responding to _political activists_ trying to tell _others_ how to vote. Do you understand the difference? [/quote] Oh, are we into infantile name-calling now? Whatever. In any case, that comment (lie) is bullshit, because what started this whole stupid tangent was this comment: > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This would be a good response if they ever actually stated any reasons. I’m talking about people like the PUMA idiots who are dead set against voting for Obama but never articulate any reason why. And [this article,](http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/in-response-to-salon-why-clinton-voters-say-they-wont-support-obama/) which doesn’t try to tell people how to vote. Are you going to move the goalposts again? [Quote=Diogenes the Cynic] I get to tell people whatever the fuck I feel like. This is America. And if I feel like a political activist group has a latently racist motivation, I’ll fucking say so. Trying to twist criticism of a political activist group into some kind of “privacy” issue is asinine beyond words. [/quote] A right, which, I guess, does not apply to those who think Wright’s racist. Gotcha. IOKI **Dio** DI. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/347 "2008-08-13T02:01:56Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Oh, are we into infantile name-calling now? Whatever. In any case, that comment (lie) is bullshit, because what started this whole stupid tangent was this comment: And [this article,](http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/in-response-to-salon-why-clinton-voters-say-they-wont-support-obama/) which doesn’t try to tell people how to vote. Are you going to move the goalposts again? [/quote] I’ve already responded to this. It’ all contrived excuse making, half truths, and character assassination. They don’t tell people how to vote, you say? So what? They’re still airing their bullshit in a public forum. That means they’re choosing to make it public business. It’s incredibly stupid to say that I don’t have the right to express an opinion about a public opinion piece. > [@](#): > > A right, which, I guess, does not apply to those who think Wright’s racist. Gotcha. IOKI **Dio** DI. When did I ever say anyone doesn’t have the right to think Wright is racist? I’ll say they’re _wrong_ but I won’t say they don’t have the right. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/348 "2008-08-13T13:13:32Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] And [this article,](http://camille424.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/in-response-to-salon-why-clinton-voters-say-they-wont-support-obama/) which doesn’t try to tell people how to vote. Are you going to move the goalposts again? . [/QUOTE] Care to give your honest assessment of this article? It disturbs me when people are such zealots for their own candidate that they eagerly embrace every meme that degrades the opposition but can’t possibly use that same standard against their candidate. It’s a form of blindness we can’t really afford. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/349 "2008-08-21T01:05:47Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] I’m going to print this out and tack it to my bulletin board as a nigh but perfect example of the acceptance of right wing talk. Start with the inane namecalling (Ozombie?, you guys can’t do any better), move to stupid hyperbole of the outcome of voting for a Democrat (chaos? Evil?), move on to patently untrue assertions ([This site](http://www.barackobama.com/index.php) can give you many “concrete tangible solutions”, if you, oh I don’t know, actually want to do a modicum of research), then repeat yourself ad nauseum (the whole mocking of “change” is a few months past its due date). To fit almost all of the typical talk into one post is amazing. [/QUOTE] Hmm, never mind the fact that I’d rather have two OTHER dems than Obama eh? The Ozambie thing wasn’t right wing talk, at least not that I’ve heard them do, it just struck me after hearing several of the young naive Obamites at work,that is the battle cry from them, not right wing radio. They have no concrete solutions, and I’ve not heard a single one yet from Obama’s own mouth. Shortly before I posted this, one of my young coworkers said “well, at least he’s a fresh face”. NOT from talk radio, those insisting he’s like Paris Hilton, nope! From a young Obama supporter himself. I will go and look at your link, but so far, in all of the speeches I’ve heard Mr. Obama give, especially the recent one from Germany, I’ve heard no concrete workable solutions, and a lot of BAD platitudes and worse ideas of the direction he thinks our country “should” take. Again, I don’t like McCain, particularly his lack of direction on the illegal immigration front (Obama’s “ideas” there are much much worse), and would prefer that we could do the Danish thing of “None of the Above” (give us better candidates), but stuck between the two, I’ll take the lesser of two evils, which is unfortunately McCain. I’ve been voting for 30 years, and I’ve never voted for a party, always the individual, I’ve voted just for as many dems as pubs, but this is the first time in my voting experience that I’ve been this uncomfortable and fearful regarding a candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/350 "2008-08-21T01:17:20Z")
[QUOTE=CanvasShoes] I will go and look at your link, but so far, in all of the speeches I’ve heard Mr. Obama give, especially the recent one from Germany, I’ve heard no concrete workable solutions, and a lot of BAD platitudes and worse ideas of the direction he thinks our country “should” take. [/QUOTE] So now it’s not that he has no plans at all, it is you find them unworkable, bad, or worse than what you support. Gee, I feel the same about McCain’s speeches; imagine that. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834/351 "2008-09-05T08:02:59Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] > [@foolsguinea](#): > > I think the Dems should give up on moderation & just nominate cranks from now on. Crankery wins, can’t you understand that? Seriously, if you can’t appear more a left-wing extremist than Kucinich & Nader, stop wasting our time! > > I mean, come on! As successful as uncompromising, radicalized crankery has been for the right, & the Dems keep nominating reasonable, conservative centrist compromiser types. It’s abominably stupid & blind! Actually, they probably should. No matter who the Democratic candidate is, the Republican spin machine will paint him or her (okay, him) as an extreme leftist, just waiting for the chance to nationalize our industries and send all our pregnant women off to the birthing creches. Think about it. Every Democratic candidate in my lifetime has been a middle-of-the-road centrist, playing up his good Christian values and so on, regardless of their views on arugula, and notwithstanding the American Conservative Union’s ratings. [/QUOTE] I’m sorry. I should have been clearer. I wasn’t being sarcastic. A little facetious, but I really hate that since getting the nomination Obama has swung right & McCain has also swung right. If a Pat Buchanan can be taken seriously, why can’t we nominate a Nader, or even an Abbie Hoffman? I fear the left are as suckered by the actually-conservative Democratic Party as the Falwell crowd have been by the GOP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuckity-fuck-mccains-going-to-win/458834.md?page=17)