# Fukkin Facist Florida Firearm Fanatics **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066 "2011-05-07T14:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/321 "2012-08-31T23:10:01Z")
Bumping this old thread for a belated update: Florida officials are indeed appealing the decision. [Announced last month.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/docs-vs-glocks-appeal-ric_n_1720370.html) My guess is that they waited that long so that the case would not come up until after the election. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/322 "2012-09-01T07:44:09Z")
Look’s like the Guv is mounting his trusty stead “Delusional” and begin the long-term journey of tilting at the windmills of SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/323 "2012-09-02T22:42:34Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Handing out a sheet that says, “10 ways to make your firearms safer” is fine - and you could probably get the NRA to make one for you. Handing out a sheet that says, “Firearms in the home are dangerous”, complete with slanted statistics and scare quotes designed to turn people against firearms is not OK. Thought the conservative position was that other people shouldn’t pass judgement on any contract agreed upon by mutually consenting agents - especially not the state? > [@Oakminster](#): > > Let’s try this another way. I don’t give a fuck what my plumber thinks about my tax situation. Likewise, I don’t give a fuck what my doctor thinks about guns or politics. A doctor is essentially a body mechanic. They exist to patch up whatever is wrong. They have no superior moral insight, no font of wisdom, no reason to look down their snooty noses at people that don’t worship their sacred medical cows. Doctors are there to sew us up, or pass out pills, that kind of thing. Guns are not a medical issue. Doctors have no business opining on either side of the gun issue to a captive audience, ie, their patients. I don’t tell my clients how to vote, either. It’s inappropriate and unprofessional. Say 1/5th of the totals in this guy’s shop are due to people hanging out of the driver’s window spraying their AK-47 everywhere. Then does it become pertinent to ask what you plan to do with the gun in your passenger’s seat? ---
**Author:** ![kwimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@kwimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kwimby)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/324 "2012-09-02T22:50:15Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Say 1/5th of the totals in this guy’s shop are due to people hanging out of the driver’s window spraying their AK-47 everywhere. Then does it become pertinent to ask what you plan to do with the gun in your passenger’s seat? Or how about say we all jump on the hyperbole express and ride this one right off the rails? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2012, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/325 "2012-09-03T07:12:04Z")
Restricting the doctors right to asked damned impertinent questions, or indeed the patients right to to reply with massive levels of bullshit, challenges the very foundation of the doctor/patient relationship. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/326 "2013-01-21T13:25:50Z")
Another [update](http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777771?nlid=27143_1341&src=nldne). > [@](#): > > As part of his new initiative against gun violence, President Barack Obama today announced an executive action to protect the right of clinicians to talk to their patients about gun safety. > > In doing so, the president jumped squarely into a fray between organized medicine and the National Rifle Association (NRA). > > The executive action, one of 23 unveiled at a White House event, has a limited scope. It states that the administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act (ACA), contrary to what some believe, does not prohibit or regulate communication about firearms between clinicians and patients. > > The rationale for taking this minor action — as stated in a White House press release — nevertheless provides broad support for physicians who have taken the state of Florida to court over a 2011 law that prohibits them from asking patients if they own a gun. Florida lawmakers and the NRA view such a question as a threat to the Second Amendment right to bear arms. … > > …For its part, the NRA decried the president’s position on the gun question. > > “I think the action that President Obama is taking with regard to doctors and interrogations of firearms owners is a classic example of why states need to protect gun owners from overzealous doctors who ask questions simply because they want to make political statements against gun ownership,” said Marion Hammer, a past NRA president and a current board member who represents the group in Florida, in an interview with Medscape Medical News. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/327 "2013-01-21T19:33:34Z")
Dangerous precedent. Before you know it, there’ll be executive action to allow physicians to talk to their patients about abortion in any manner they choose. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/328 "2013-01-21T20:39:39Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Dangerous precedent. > > Before you know it, there’ll be executive action to allow physicians to talk to their patients about abortion in any manner they choose. Or ask parents of toddlers where they store the bleach, ammonia, and oven cleaner in their home. Along, perhaps, with a suggestion that “_On the floor in the corner of the kitchen_” might not be the best possible answer. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/329 "2013-01-21T21:10:58Z")
You see CannyDan, doctors don’t really know about cleaning products. Some could not even tell you whether Bon Ami is abrasive or not or which products should not ever be mixed with which other ones. Say flax soap and they think omega three fatty acids! What would possibly give them any expertise to discuss cleaning products with people who actually own and use them? How dare they impose their political agenda that oven cleaner should stored in a locked cabinet out of toddler reach on those who feel that they need their oven cleaner at the ready for any emergent baked on spill especially when many of them never even use these products themselves? I wonder when the appeal is being heard. Obviously the mood of the country is a bit different now then when the law was first proposed and I wonder if the NRA’s steadfast support of this doctor gag law (which will get more press when the case comes up) will end up forcing some of their usual political allies to further distance themselves. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/330 "2013-01-22T00:12:26Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Florida NRA succeeds in getting the state House and Senate to [pass a law](http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-01-31/story/florida-physicians-take-nra-gun-privacy-issue) making it a [felony for a pediatrician to ask about guns in the house](http://www.npr.org/2011/05/07/136063523/florida-bill-could-muzzle-doctors-on-gun-safety?ft=1&f=1001). > > Now I admit, as a pediatrician, I probably don’t ask about guns in the house and how they are stored as much as I should. There’s a lot that gets on that anticipatory guidance docket and gun safety doesn’t typically make into my top list. But making it felony for me to do my job if I lived in an area in which unsafe gun storage was more common? WTF? The NRA wants to talk about RIGHTS and then they do this? > > Goddamn facists. I admit to having not taken the time to read through the thread yet, but I just wanted to comfort you a bit. Consider yourself _lucky_ that you aren’t an Ob-Gyn in Indiana, where you would be forced to actually outright _lie_ to your patients … _[by law](http://www.indystar.com/article/20110330/NEWS05/103300402/Indiana-House-OKs-restrictive-abortion-bill)_. Or an Ob-Gyn in South Dakota, where you’d be forced to outright _lie_ to your patients there, too. … also [by law](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/south-dakota-abortion-suidice-law-appeals-court_n_1699615.html). These fuckers are sick and we have to beat them back into the caves where they belong. … metaphorically (before I’m accused of wishing _actual_ physical harm on anyone). ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/331 "2013-01-22T01:50:45Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > …will end up forcing some of their usual political allies to further distance themselves. Or not. Have you perchance noticed what we are presently using as a governor here? Sanity isn’t exactly the long suit of our politicians. Nor of much of the electorate, for that matter. \ Smart money is on “Or not.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/332 "2013-01-22T03:08:57Z")
I was thinking more national stage. When this goes to trial on appeal it will get some national press. And your governor is not likely to drop it before it does. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/333 "2014-07-26T15:50:34Z")
Bumping _Yee olde_ thread Yet another twist in the “[Glocks vs Docs](http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/federal-court-upholds-florida-docs-vs-glocks-law-109403.html)” saga. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/334 "2014-07-26T16:03:10Z")
“Hey, we’re not restricting your free speech rights by not allowing you to talk about governmental corruption, Mr. Civil Service Employee! We’re just regulating your professional conduct!” :dubious: “The SCOTUS ruled today that there is nothing unconstitutional about Nescienta’s state law that prohibits scientists and engineers from talking about gravity, the speed of light or thermodynamics, saying that the law was fine because all it was really doing was regulating professional conduct.” :dubious: Did we have a GD thread going about this a few years ago, or do we need to start one now that it’s crossed over the border from Nescienta into Crazyland? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/335 "2014-07-26T18:42:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did we have a GD thread going about this a few years ago… Well we had one in the Pit about a year and a half ago. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/336 "2014-07-26T20:39:23Z")
I suspect that this will now be taken higher. For now the injunction remains in place until it is determined if/when such will occur. Actually U.S. Circuit Judge Gerald Tjoflat had it somewhat right: this law does declare what constitutes good medical care with the state declaring that what doctors and their societies have decided is such based on their expert opinions is immaterial. That however is not such a simple thing. It is goddamn scary thing. Next they tell me if I can ask about soda or fast food or television watching habits or car seats? ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/337 "2014-07-26T20:44:29Z")
So Florida doctors have no right to talk to their patients about guns, but strangers have a right to talk to women about abortions whether they want to hear it or not? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/338 "2014-07-26T23:42:22Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > So Florida doctors have no right to talk to their patients about guns, but strangers have a right to talk to women about abortions whether they want to hear it or not? That would appear to be true. Of course, the government can regulate professional conduct in a way that they cannot regulate a private citizen’s conduct. Still, I am torn. I recognize that this law is massively outrageous overreach and violative of good sense as well as First Amendment rights, because a balancing of the First Amendment interest here shows the law is over breadth to accomplish any legitimate government interest. So I oppose the law. But at the same time, it delights me to see various liberal contortions that let them assert this law is improper, but pharmacists can still be forced to sell abortion-inducing medication. In my view, an honest application of principles would recognize that you can’t favor the power of government to do one without the other. I absolutely agree that doctors should be free to ask what they please about guns, and patients should be free to seek another doctor. Notice that I don’t speculate about happens if the patient lives too far from another doctor or can only get around with public transportation. I accept that these things are part of the marketplace of health care. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/339 "2014-07-27T04:02:19Z")
Seems pretty clear to me. There’s a big difference between carrying out one’s professional duties to serve the needs of one’s patients versus carrying out one’s personal religious beliefs to the detriment of one’s customers. Professional duties and professional judgment are not the same as religious beliefs. If I am working with a depressed person and I ask if they have firearms at home, do you think it is because of my religious beliefs? What’s to contort? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/340 "2014-07-27T04:13:52Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The NRA does promote some good [gun safety rules](http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp), some aimed for [parents](http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/infoparents.asp) - > > Why do they want to make pediatricians saying the same thing a crime? Maybe because doctors are authority figures. What they say to their patients carries a lot more weight than what a random person out there says. So they should limit what they say to health matters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066.md?page=18)