# Fukkin Facist Florida Firearm Fanatics **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066 "2011-05-07T14:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/381 "2014-07-28T03:19:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Florida NRA succeeds in getting the state House and Senate to [pass a law](http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-01-31/story/florida-physicians-take-nra-gun-privacy-issue) making it a [felony for a pediatrician to ask about guns in the house](http://www.npr.org/2011/05/07/136063523/florida-bill-could-muzzle-doctors-on-gun-safety?ft=1&f=1001). > > …snip… > > Goddamn facists. Well, to be blunt…what the fuck business is it of yours whether someone owns a gun or not? The correct answer is: none. Zip, zero, nada. Your job is make sick kids well again, not to be an agent of the nanny state. If I brought my kid in to you and you asked me that, two things would happen: 1) I would tell you that I have about 7 or 8 guns in the house, one by each window and door, and 2) not only would you lose me and my kid as a patient, I would file a formal complaint against you with the AMA as well as giving you a negative review on every MD referral board that I could find. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/382 "2014-07-28T03:39:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, to be blunt…what the fuck business is it of yours whether someone owns a gun or not? The correct answer is: none. Zip, zero, nada. Your job is make sick kids well again, not to be an agent of the nanny state. > > If I brought my kid in to you and you asked me that, two things would happen: 1) I would tell you that I have about 7 or 8 guns in the house, one by each window and door, and 2) not only would you lose me and my kid as a patient, I would file a formal complaint against you with the AMA as well as giving you a negative review on every MD referral board that I could find. I do think that might be an overreaction. I’d assume a doctor might ask about a pool, and warn about pool safety. Or make sure you have a good car seat. I’d see mentioning gun safety as something similar. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/383 "2014-07-28T03:44:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s difficult to rebut this theory, because, as the old joke illustrates, “I used to think that my brain was the most important part of my body…but then I realized who was telling me that.” In other words, how can I independently assess the effect of the supposed brainwashing? You’re just going to have to trust me. 😃 > [@](#): > > I can provide some evidence against it. Although brought up Catholic, as you intuit, in college, I identified as agnostic, and felt atheistic; I said ‘agnostic’ only as a nod to acknowledge I couldn’t prove the lack of a deity. But my basic position was that I had no reason to accept the existence of any god or gods. > > But then, I found a reason. I had an experience, a personal experience, which left me quite convinced that there was a God, and a Jesus, and a Mary who was His mother. > > So now I had a reason, a strong one. But at the same time, I absolutely acknowledged the validity of my prior position: I took it because I had no evidence to support an extraordinary claim. Now that I had evidence, I could no longer hold to a position of agnosticism – but for anyone else not having shared my experience, agnosticism was a perfectly rational position to take. > > And that’s where I stand today. I don’t claim that belief in God is an obvious truth – to the contrary, it makes very little rational sense to believe in God – _unless you have had an experience which changes that position._ > > The best thing I can do is argue by analogy. If individual cells in our bodies possessed some kind of low-level sentience, we can imagine that they might speak of their universe – the body – being controlled by some super-sentient being. And some of those cells might rail at the unfairness of their treatment at the behest of the body. Muscle cells might rage at how the body’s exercise caused them to suffer. But they wouldn’t have the perspective to understand that the entire body’s health improved, and that their unfair treatment was for the betterment of a bigger scheme that they not only didn’t know, _but lacked the capacity to even understand_. > > It is the same with us, and God. You rail against the unfair treatment we get, because you cannot possibly understand the larger issues in play. > > But of course that explanation is much less likely, from an Occam’s Razor perspective, than the simpler one that there is no plan, no scheme, no higher intelligence affecting us. And with your set of experiences, it makes perfect sense for you to say, “Look, that’s a fun theory, but it’s extraordinary, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. You have speculated, but not provided evidence. Therefore I reject your speculation.” > > But what you fail to understand, or believe, is that I have had an experience which provided that evidence to me. Unfortunately, it was not an experience I can share with you in any meaningful way, so I don’t in the least feel you are irrational for rejecting it. > > But you should at least understand that, based on my experience, my own view is perfectly rational. I would think that a rational person would accept that they might be mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/384 "2014-07-28T04:38:57Z")
Sheesh there are a lot of shrinking violet delicate flowers here who cannot withstand being asked a question. Gun types are just frightened people, really, so I suppose it should not surprise me. I guess they are caught in a bind in this situation due to their authoritarian nature. It must not compute when an authority figure advises them to do something they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/385 "2014-07-28T07:04:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You “proved” the two situations are not compatible by defining one as a slam dunk, and I showed you that it wasn’t a slam dunk. Everything about your post is wrong. (a) your use of quotes are “proved”. I never used that word. (b) in fact, if there’s a burden of proof here, it’s on you. You’re the one who’s claiming that the two situations are analogous (c) the substance of my initial post was not simply that one was a slam dunk and one wasn’t, it was pointing out how different the two situations are. So, let’s continue that… (1) a pharmacist has a job requiring him to dispense medicines. Out of all the medicines his job requires him to dispense, there are one or two that he feels violate his ethics/morals/religion. He wants the right to not dispense those particular medicines. (2) a doctor has a job requiring him to examine patients, determine what he thinks is ailing them, and suggest solutions. He took it upon himself to also ask families about whether they had guns at home. At least one family took umbrage at that, and a laws was passed making it illegal for doctors to ask about guns. So… you tell me where the similarities are between someone refusing to do one aspect of their job, claiming moral and religious freedom; vs someone wanting to discuss issues that are at least arguably outside the purview of his responsibility, and that discussion bothering people (but NOT for religious reasons). One’s an issue of what someone actually DOES, one’s an issue of what someone SAYS. One is a conflict of religious freedom vs social responsibility. One’s a conflict between free individual speech and ability-to-regulate-profession-conduct, in the context of a massively divisive political issue. Really, they’re not similar at all. Not even close. (note: the politico article claims that the doctor who triggered all of this refused to even treat the people if they wouldn’t answer his questions about guns, BUT it also says that the law makes it illegal to ask about guns at all. I certainly don’t think a doctor has the right to refuse treatment because someone won’t answer his questions about their gun collection, but unless there’s some misleading reporting going on, the law is massively overreacting.) (As far as my personal opinion goes, I think that there are contexts in which it’s 100% reasonable for doctors to ask about guns at home, the most obvious being new parents who are about to take a new baby home from the hospital… asking about risk factors and childproofing and so forth is totally reasonable, and there are parts of the US where the assumption is that most people will have guns, in which case discussing ways to keep guns responsibly with children around is a completely reasonable thing to do.) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/386 "2014-07-28T09:26:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I do think that might be an overreaction. I’d assume a doctor might ask about a pool, and warn about pool safety. Or make sure you have a good car seat. I’d see mentioning gun safety as something similar. I do, too. But that’s because I see all of those as being outside the purview of the doctor. I’ve never gotten safety advice from a doctor about anything but medicine. That makes sense, since medicine is what learned in school. And, even then, it had to be the medicine they were currently giving me. A doctor’s job in this case is to deliver the baby and make sure that both the mom and baby are healthy. That’s it. Unless I specifically ask for advice in how to keep my kid safe, it’s none of my doctor’s business. I think it’s lamentable that this had to be put into law to get doctors to stop acting like paternalistic assholes, but if medical organizations are actually advocating for this stuff, something has to try and stop them. If a doctor is concerned about gun safety, pool safety, or car safety, that’s fine. Advocate on your own time, and not the time when you are supposed to be providing medical care. You are being paid for your medicine, not your advice. And can the BS about it being a gun-nut issue. I’ve never owned a gun, and I probably never will. But this should never come up at my doctor’s office. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/387 "2014-07-28T09:59:35Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > A primary care physician’s job is to take care of a patient’s health including both illnesses and prioritizing preventative guidance according to their best understanding of the relevant risk factors and taking into account guidance from their expert bodies. Hence a pediatrician’s job description includes well care visits in which such anticipatory guidance is given, different items covered by different docs with gun safety definitely on the list as a relevant safety item as per the professional organizations, along with many other items which get prioritized according to health professional’s understanding of what most applies to his/her population base and his/her judgements. > > You can disagree with the professional organization’s guidance or with the judgement of what is most important and believe that discussing one or another health or safety risk factor does or does not present enough of a risk to bother discussing. But clearly making that choice and discussing those risks is part of that job description. No. Just flat out No. A primary care doctor’s job is to treat the illnesses or health concerns that their patients present to them. They are allowed by this the ability to recommend further visits and give out treatments. Not only is safety outside their purview, but so are health concerns that are not why the patient came to them. The doctor works for the patient, not the other way around. Those things you mention are relevant because the patient is there to try to have a healthy baby. The patient is not there to receive safety advice. While safety and health are connected, they are two separate things. My doctor has never given me non-medical safety advice, and I will never ask him for it nor want him to give it to me. Even if you try to say that it’s okay because the safety advice is connected to the medical, unsolicited medical advice is unwelcome by the vast majority of people. I don’t care how statistically likely the concern is. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/388 "2014-07-28T11:10:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Next they tell me if I can ask about soda or fast food or television watching habits or car seats? Are you actually saying you regularly ask your patients about those things? :eek: If a new doctor did any of that unsolicited, I would be out the door. (Old ones would be given one chance and told that I didn’t wish to discuss it, as assumedly they’ve earned a little respect for me to be seeing them for so long.) Other than the car seat thing, that stuff is even flimsier than the gun stuff. I thought you claimed it was about seeing the riskiest behaviors and trying to mitigate them. Sure, forgoing soda or fast food might help with a weight problem. But that would be a prescription to someone who has specifically come in about losing weight (or has an issue like diabetes where losing weight is part of the prescription). Car seats are again a safety issue, and I can’t figure out anything about TV that would be medically relevant, not even by the tortured logic used in this thread. Maybe if you’ve been asked how to help with children’s brain development? But, again, that’s prescriptive. Even if you did have a legitimate reason to ask this crap, you’re putting the patient on the spot. The patient knows there’s a right and wrong answer. They are going to lie to avoid having to get a lecture. In general, I don’t lie, but you’d better bet I’ve told my dentist I floss when asked. (In case you are wondering, he’s the only dentist who accepts my insurance, so I can’t just walk out. Believe me, between that and making grin and bear it when he couldn’t deaden a nerve, I’d rather never see him again.) I think I’m just going to chalk this up to you living in a completely different [nation](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/08/which-of-the-11-american-nations-do-you-live-in/). Because, to me, it’s like bizarro world. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/389 "2014-07-28T11:29:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Guns are not now, never have been, and never will be a medical issue. The presence of a gun in a home does not make it more or less likely that someone will catch some illness or disease. … Just plain factually incorrect and a reflection of complete ignorance about what medical issues and diseases are and what the pediatrics job description is. On the same level as these bits of ignorance: > [@Big T](#): > > … A doctor’s job in this case is to deliver the baby and make sure that both the mom and baby are healthy. That’s it. Unless I specifically ask for advice in how to keep my kid safe, it’s none of my doctor’s business … If a doctor is concerned about gun safety, pool safety, or car safety, that’s fine. Advocate on your own time, and not the time when you are supposed to be providing medical care. You are being paid for your medicine, not your advice. … Not only is safety outside their purview, but so are health concerns that are not why the patient came to them. … and here > [@Clothahump](#): > > … Your job is make sick kids well again … Really the amount of stupid here is impressive. Simple item of fact: pediatricians work to get sick kids well, to help kids stay well,and to help families and communities reduce future risks to kids’ wellness. That is the job and has been for probably as long as there has been the specialty. We in fact _are_ paid for our advice and the child’s safety _is_ my business. My advocating for kids to be in car seats, for bike helmet use, discussing ahead of time how sleep cycles will be changing, asking if about a wide variety of risk factors to a child’s current and future wellness, telling you that your precious is getting a bit chunky and that the juice boxes and fast food gotta stop, that your smoking places your kid at risk, offends you? Tough shit. You don’t like what my job is? Tough shit. You disagree with the decisions I make as part of my job? Still my job to make 'em. You don’t like that a doctor asks personal questions? Poor baby. You want to find a doctor who will not do any preventative care or anticipatory guidance? I am sure you can find one. Hell just go to a shot clinic for vaccines (although that is not making a sick kid well so maybe you are an idiot there too) and bring your kid into the Emergency Department or suchlike for illnesses. Although I hope for the sake of the gene pool and for the sake of the child you have not and will not reporoduce. So **BigT** you aint a gun nut. … You just a fukkin nut. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/390 "2014-07-28T11:56:32Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Sheesh there are a lot of shrinking violet delicate flowers here who cannot withstand being asked a question. There is nothing in life so helpless and fragile as the delicate nature of the heavily armed. **Clothahump’s** petulant tirades could actually be useful, if he is honest about what the doctor did to set off his tantrum. It would serve as a shibboleth to ward off other unstable gun crazies and “liberty” fetishists, a type of problem patient that most doctors don’t want in their practice anyway, while more rational readers will discount the bad patient reviews as the ravings of a disgruntled kook. Something I already do. When someone gives a doctor a 1-star review and writes a 10-paragraph rant (all caps, littered with typos) bitching about the magazine selection in the waiting room, it isn’t the doctor who looks bad. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/391 "2014-07-28T13:08:51Z")
These daisies must have lost their shit when Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh came out with Mr. Yuk stickers! Those fucking doctors weren’t chemists! Just agents of the nanny state forcing safety precautions on people. I know that when my child’s pediatrician asks us about his video game usage, I lose my shit all over him! Who the fuck is he to talk about conditions outside the specific present disorder? In fact, the whole concept of preventive medicine is fascism! Take your suggestions for diet and exercise and jam them up your ass, Hitler! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/392 "2014-07-28T14:35:42Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Everything about your post is wrong. > > (a) your use of quotes are “proved”. I never used that word. I know. The use of quotes in that instance represented what are often called “scare quotes,” and are intended to highlight the lack of truth in the word. So that sentence was intended to convey that there was no proof, as opposed to claiming that you _used_ the word. > [@](#): > > (b) in fact, if there’s a burden of proof here, it’s on you. You’re the one who’s claiming that the two situations are analogous True. > [@](#): > > (c) the substance of my initial post was not simply that one was a slam dunk and one wasn’t, it was pointing out how different the two situations are. > . > . > . > So… you tell me where the similarities are between someone refusing to do one aspect of their job, claiming moral and religious freedom; vs someone wanting to discuss issues that are at least arguably outside the purview of his responsibility, and that discussion bothering people (but NOT for religious reasons). One’s an issue of what someone actually DOES, one’s an issue of what someone SAYS. One is a conflict of religious freedom vs social responsibility. One’s a conflict between free individual speech and ability-to-regulate-profession-conduct, in the context of a massively divisive political issue. Really, they’re not similar at all. Not even close. It helps to be able to define the terms like that. But why don’t we take mine, instead of yours: In both instances the state legislature seeks to regulate the professional conduct of a licensed professional within their jurisdiction, and in both instances over a massively-divisive social issue. Both cases are intended to regulate what actions someone actually DOES – the pharmacist required to dispense and the doctor required to not ‘fire’ patients for their refusal to answer gun questions. Neither involves refusing to do an aspect of a job, since a pharmacist’s job does NOT include deliberately ending a human life. In both cases the issue comes down to a very simple similarity: the power of the state to regulate professional conduct, period. See? Why should I accept your framing of the issue? > [@](#): > > (note: the politico article claims that the doctor who triggered all of this refused to even treat the people if they wouldn’t answer his questions about guns, BUT it also says that the law makes it illegal to ask about guns at all. I certainly don’t think a doctor has the right to refuse treatment because someone won’t answer his questions about their gun collection, but unless there’s some misleading reporting going on, the law is massively overreacting.) The law creates a prophylactic effect: there was a reported case of a mother being separated from her children in order to ask the children about guns in the house. There was the case of a mother refusing to answer the questions and being told she could not continue to use that doctor. Moreover, that doctor reported the he asked ALL of his patients the same question in an effort to provide “safety advice” in the event there was a firearm in the home. Sothe issues are manifestly similar: can a state mandate, via professional licensing, behavior that the individual provider feels is poor medical practice? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/393 "2014-07-28T14:37:31Z")
My kids’ pediatrician asked about age appropriate safety related items during our regular visits. There was both a questionnaire targeted to the specific age as well as follow up questions. Other non-specific medical things were discussed like reading, etc. This seemed appropriate as part of the kids overall development and well being. In general I wouldn’t have a problem with mentioning guns to new parents. There’s a lot of adjustment necessary with kids and it never hurts to be reminded about safety. Things like storage, access, lead handling, etc. If the doctor advocates, or makes representations as factual that are not or are questionable then I’d have a problem. I’d pick a new doctor. So while I’m not a fan of the law in question, I can’t say it’s a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/394 "2014-07-28T14:37:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > My advocating for kids to be in car seats, for bike helmet use, discussing ahead of time how sleep cycles will be changing, asking if about a wide variety of risk factors to a child’s current and future wellness, telling you that your precious is getting a bit chunky and that the juice boxes and fast food gotta stop, that your smoking places your kid at risk, offends you? Tough shit. You don’t like what my job is? Tough shit. You disagree with the decisions I make as part of my job? Still my job to make 'em. You don’t like that a doctor asks personal questions? Poor baby. You want to find a doctor who will not do any preventative care or anticipatory guidance? I am sure you can find one. And I agree this should be the standard. I also wish to apply it to pharmacists. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/395 "2014-07-28T14:50:26Z")
If my pediatrician _didn’t_ ask me about child-proofing the house, including how weapons and poisons are secured, I’d think the MD less than thorough. I sure wouldn’t see a need to throw a tantrum. In fact, that would then probably suggest a bit of guidance about discipline and modeling behaviors…:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/396 "2014-07-28T14:52:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And I agree this should be the standard. > > I also wish to apply it to pharmacists. I’m not buying the comparison. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe **DSeid** withholds treatment from people based on their use of juice boxes. ISTM that merely providing “anticipatory guidance” is not what you’d like to see happen with pharmacists. . ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/397 "2014-07-28T14:55:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Well, to be blunt…what the fuck business is it of yours whether someone owns a gun or not? The correct answer is: none. Zip, zero, nada. Your job is make sick kids well again, not to be an agent of the nanny state. > > If I brought my kid in to you and you asked me that, two things would happen: 1) I would tell you that I have about 7 or 8 guns in the house, one by each window and door, and 2) not only would you lose me and my kid as a patient, I would file a formal complaint against you with the AMA as well as giving you a negative review on every MD referral board that I could find. And if you would have said that, I would have thought that you most likely wouldn’t have every one secured appropriately. And if you were in one of the 29 states that have Child Access Prevention laws, I would have reported you to social services. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/398 "2014-07-28T16:32:35Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’m not buying the comparison. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe **DSeid** withholds treatment from people based on their use of juice boxes. ISTM that merely providing “anticipatory guidance” is not what you’d like to see happen with pharmacists. > . The standard I was referring to is the ‘tough shit’ standard: " Tough shit. You don’t like what my job is? Tough shit. You disagree with the decisions I make as part of my job? Still my job to make 'em. You don’t like that a doctor asks personal questions? Poor baby. You want to find a doctor who will not do any preventative care or anticipatory guidance? I am sure you can find one." Applying it to pharmacists: " Tough shit. You don’t like what my job is? Tough shit. You disagree with the decisions I make as part of my job? Still my job to make 'em. You don’t like that a pharmacist won’t let you destroy a human life? Poor baby. You want to find a pharmacist who will let you destroy a human life? I am sure you can find one." ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/399 "2014-07-28T16:57:48Z")
Ok, sure. Except I’m not grokking how asking questions and providing information is directly comparable to refusing to provide a service. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/400 "2014-07-28T16:59:26Z")
Sigh … \*still \*repeating the unfounded assertion that a fetus is a human … Yes, religion \*can \*be unhealthy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066.md?page=21)