# Fukkin Facist Florida Firearm Fanatics **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066 "2011-05-07T14:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/781 "2014-11-23T04:47:33Z")
Well, that’s disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/782 "2014-11-25T20:47:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Heard about this on NPR this morning while out running errands, and I knew there would be thread here. This is another example of “there oughta be a law…” gone wrong. If you don’t want your doctor to ask about guns, tell him or her it’s none of his [fucking] business. If the doctor doesn’t want to treat you, then you’re better off with a more sympathetic doctor anyway. The last thing I want is to force a doctor to treat me who doesn’t want to treat me. This, in its entirety. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/783 "2015-07-29T18:50:30Z")
[11th circuit court of appeals lifts the injunction that had blocked enforcement of the law.](http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201214009.reh.pdf) > [@](#): > > Rather, the Act codifies the commonsense conclusion that good medical care > does not require inquiry or record-keeping regarding firearms when unnecessary to > a patient’s care—especially not when that inquiry or record-keeping constitutes > such a substantial intrusion upon patient privacy. Given this understanding of the > Act, and in light of the longstanding authority of States to define the boundaries of > good medical practice, we hold that the Act is, on its face, a permissible restriction > of physician speech. Plaintiffs remain free—as they have always been—to assert > their First Amendment rights as an affirmative defense in any actions brought > against them. But we will not, by striking down the Act, effectively hand Plaintiffs > a declaration that such a defense will be successful. > Accordingly, we reverse the District Court’s grant of summary judgment in > favor of Plaintiffs, and vacate the injunction against enforcement of the Act I’m actually not sure why this is being re-heard. I had thought the matter resolved but apparently the injunction was still in place? ---
**Author:** ![RagingxMarmoset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@RagingxMarmoset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RagingxMarmoset)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/784 "2015-07-29T19:36:48Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > We have three children (13, 12, and 8 years old). I have always had guns strewn all over the house. Right now there are two rifles next to the front door, three next to the dresser in the bedroom, and one on the landing in the staircase. Handguns are sitting on shelves in the bedroom closet. None are loaded, in case you’re wondering. > > If a pediatrician asked about guns, I would simply tell him/her it was none of their fucking business. As a fellow gun owner, that is unfathomably irresponsible. Lock up your fucking guns. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/785 "2015-07-30T05:09:08Z")
The US is chockablock with unneeded legislation, this bill included. But minding your own fucking business isn’t fascism. [QUOTE=George Orwell] The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/786 "2015-07-30T09:53:24Z")
I spent half a century thinking very little about guns one way or the other. (Details: [SPOILER]A decade ago I wanted a handgun for home protection but it would be easier for wife to get a gun permit (I’m a foreigner here). She declined, either because she was too stingy for a $1500 handgun or was worried about my own mental competence. We “relied” on the antique shot pistol we’d inherited from her father. Now even it’s gone – she buried it in the orchard when the Army was searching the country for illegal “red-shirt”-owned weapons. I’m thinking of leaving my wife’s gold jewelry by the door with a note, hoping to dissuade any burglars or robbers from rummaging through the half-ton of books and papers I’ve got strewn around. (But maybe I should encourage them – they might uncover that document I’ve been looking for.) I still think we should have a handgun, and mention it to the wife twice a decade or so, but it’s not on my Top-100 To-Do List.[/SPOILER] ) Then I got home Internet and started clicking on YouTubes and SDMB threads. _ **You American gun nuts are, well, NUTS!** _ I’m afraid if you sicko assholes don’t know by now how demented you are, nothing I can say will help. Your God-given 2nd Amendment trumps the First Amendment, _and the Hippocratic Oath_ and everything else including your own reasoning capabilities. Got it. The good news is that, outside incest-ridden parts of the South and middle America, you demented farts are aging and will be out of the gene pool and voting pool soon. But I am grateful someone bumped this thread which I missed the first few bumps. Highlights: > [@elucidator](#): > > Yeah, you guys are killing me here. What with **Bricker** ’s rock solid citations, and your keen analytical skills, I feel kinda like Magic Johnson being double-teamed by Prof Hawking and Stevie Wonder… > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I mean, obviously, if gun rights are important to you, you should continue to vote for legislators who support gun rights. But I think you’re smart enough to realize that an “OMG our gun rights are UNDER ASSAULT at EVERY TURN and we are mere MOMENTS from the time when JACK BOOTED FEDERAL THUGS come BURSTING IN and TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS” (and the equivalent) is pure hysterical BS. Well, Texas Danny informs me that Obama is personally busting down doors and confiscating guns and will appoint himself to a 3rd term to to continue this. He’s really smart, this Texas Danny acquaintance of mine: he’s got gold buried throughout hills of Texas personally protected by him and his shotguns. > [@Bricker](#): > > I have despaired at teaching you. Hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/787 "2015-07-31T05:32:52Z")
Are Americans really this sensitive to their toughness being challenged? ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/788 "2015-07-31T06:59:24Z")
Until the Japanese got their asses atomic-bombed, they had the Bushido Code of the Samurai as a guiding principle. For Americans, it is the legend of the Old West where the good guys always shot the bad guys with the six-guns every good God-Fearing Man carried on his hip. See the TV show “Gunsmoke” - a huge hit. It opens with a High Noon Shootout - good old Matt Dillion outdraws the bad guy and shoots him dead. The little boys raised on that crap are now making laws. And the NRA is financing the most extreme candidates they can find. People having guns near doors and in nightstands is quite common in some areas. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/789 "2015-07-31T16:23:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Well, Texas Danny informs me that Obama is personally busting down doors and confiscating guns and will appoint himself to a 3rd term to to continue this. Got a friend, who is normally a very nice and reasonable person, who actually seems to believe this. Facts cannot dissuade him from the opinion. Obama will personally lead the charge, down his street, kicking in his door, and getting HIS guns. Then, when no one has guns to oppose him, he names hisself President for Life. And somewhere in there, he give US Sovereignty over to the U.N. because…reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/790 "2015-07-31T16:42:41Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Got a friend, who is normally a very nice and reasonable person, who actually seems to believe this. Facts cannot dissuade him from the opinion. Obama will personally lead the charge, down his street, kicking in his door, and getting HIS guns. Then, when no one has guns to oppose him, he names hisself President for Life. And somewhere in there, he give US Sovereignty over to the U.N. because…reasons. The story about “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” just doesn’t seem to work any more. It’s as if some people are addicted to the wolfcry itself-whether it is true(or even remotely possible) doesn’t even matter. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/791 "2015-07-31T16:45:27Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Then, when no one has guns to oppose him, [Obama] names hisself President for Life. And somewhere in there, he give US Sovereignty over to the U.N. because…reasons. Ahem. “Because he doesn’t love America. He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.” Please remember this part next time. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/792 "2015-08-03T00:06:47Z")
> [@RagingxMarmoset](#): > > As a fellow gun owner, that is unfathomably irresponsible. Lock up your fucking guns. Why, how dare you criticize the God-given rights of a true Mrrikken guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment to sprinkle weapons of death around his home like dirty socks. You should be ashamed of yourself ! If l’il Crafty or sweet innocent Craftetta wants to learn to handle firearms, why what better way for them to do so than to leave them all over the house? We can but pray to the Holy Lord ( who apparently always figures in a big way in these siteeations ) that he’s also shown the wee bairn where all of the cases of ammo are stored- and more importantly which ammo goes into which firearm. Nothing more annoying than having your 8 year old kid ram the wrong ammo home into a weapon he found leaning against the entertainment center. He might well wind up blowing his head right the fuck off- and man…ain’t NOTHIN’ worse than having to clean up all of that bone gray matter and blood. Righty-right? Fucking lunatic asshole. Unstable pricks like this are exactly why the N.R.A. fights background checks so hard. Because it’d cut wayyyyyyy down on gun sales if nutjobs like this were actually barred from owning a private arsenal that they feel must be left all over their home. Nice. Nice play. 3 kids? Don’t worry- when he kills them all off with his arsenal, his breeder can always supply him with more. Since his appalling mismanagement of deadly firearms in his own home shows that he has zero regard for their lives, he isn’t exactly in a position to be offended by an accurate view of his lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/793 "2015-08-03T07:31:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Are Americans really this sensitive to their toughness being challenged? It has nothing to do with toughness. I don’t have strong opinions on this issue really. I think it could be an infringement but if it is it’s small and I think it’s none of the doctor’s business anyways so I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I tell my kids to either lie about it or refuse to answer telling them it’s none of their business. That being said, doctors are mandatory reporters. See post 397. Telling the truth can result in a call to CPS who have quite a bit of authority to take people’s kids away in their zealousness. I tell my kids essentially to not talk to those people either. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/794 "2015-12-28T18:53:45Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I’m actually not sure why this is being re-heard. I had thought the matter resolved but apparently the injunction was still in place? It was re-heard because of an intervening SCOTUS decision (Reed v. Town of Gilbert) which seemed to mandate that strict rather than intermediate scrutiny be applied. The 11th Circuit just [upheld it again](http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201214009.reh2.pdf), though. I am pretty agnostic about this law, but the arguments put forward by the state are awful. Even Eugene Volokh is arguing that they got it wrong. > [@](#): > > The State of Florida asserts four compelling interests: (1) protection of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms; (2) protection of patients’ privacy rights; (3) elimination of barriers to healthcare access; and (4) prevention of discrimination and harassment of firearm owners. All of those things are arguably compelling state interests, but there is no plausible argument that this law is narrowly tailored to those interests. A much better argument (at least, from the 11th Circuit’s perspective) is that this law is analogous to state laws _requiring_ doctors to explain the risks of abortion to patients, which SCOTUS has previously upheld. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/795 "2015-12-28T19:26:15Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Are Americans really this sensitive to their toughness being challenged? I dare you to come down here and say that to my gun’s face! ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/796 "2017-02-16T21:27:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I too would be surprised by the survival of this law. Looks like we called this one correctly: [http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201214009.enbc.pdf](http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201214009.enbc.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/797 "2017-02-17T16:07:19Z")
Well, you and **Bricker** did. It looks like I predicted it would survive back on page 1, but I didn’t count on the thoroughly awful job the State did in arguing its case. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/798 "2017-02-19T00:22:16Z")
Please don’t make me read a 90 page opinion! I’ve forgotten everyone’s positions from way back in 2015. I’ll be grateful for any one of you spelling it out for me. Gloating will be acceptable if earned. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/799 "2017-02-19T12:34:17Z")
In other news, [here is an establishment](http://ktul.com/news/local/catoosa-restaurant-fires-12-workers-for-not-showing-up-on-day-without-immigrants) (which serves piss battered Cow Turds on chicken turd encrusted Popsicle sticks) you may want to avoid if you happen to have the unfortunate luck of traveling through [Shit For Brains Oklahoma](http://www.cityofcatoosa.org/index.php/about-catoosa/living-in-catoosa). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066/800 "2017-02-19T22:39:04Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > In other news, [here is an establishment](http://ktul.com/news/local/catoosa-restaurant-fires-12-workers-for-not-showing-up-on-day-without-immigrants) (which serves piss battered Cow Turds on chicken turd encrusted Popsicle sticks) you may want to avoid if you happen to have the unfortunate luck of traveling through [Shit For Brains Oklahoma](http://www.cityofcatoosa.org/index.php/about-catoosa/living-in-catoosa). The owner fired the employees for not showing up to work? The horror. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukkin-facist-florida-firearm-fanatics/581066.md?page=41)