Any guesses from our legal minds how far up the court system this will goo, with what sorts of rulings at what levels? (I understand the consensus already is that it will most likely fall, when all is said and done, and I have been told before that if it goes all the way to the SC it could be years, but what will be the path of it getting all said and done?)
I think it’s retarded that a doctor refused to treat a patient based on that patient wanting to maintain privacy over some personal choices in their life that have little to nothing to do with health issues (unless they are being treated for gunshot wounds of course). I think that it’s even more retarded it is illegal for a doctor to ask the question. If the patient does not want to disclose information, that is a personal choice.
A doctor that refused treatment on the basis of the patient withholding irrelevant information doesn’t deserve the career they have chosen and should lose their license. I guess the Hippocratic oath should be renamed the Hypocritic oath for these prying doctors, as I have often heard.
In the end, I guess it should be a free world. If a doctor asks you questions that you are not comfortable with, find a new doctor. Berate them in a blog or Facebook over the choice if you want, but they have a right to be a d-bag and ask retarded questions, just as you have the right to choose a doctor.
Let’s stop making retarded laws just because a few people get offended about whatever. No wonder legislators are raking it in, we keep sending business their way…
And yeah, fuck Floriduh. With a pineapple in the pooter. :eek:
So … fuck the doctor, fuck the patient, fuck the people who make laws and fuck everybody in Florida just for good measure.
I’m not exactly sure what your stand is here, but no one can fault your passion. I guess.
Also … insert zombie joke here … you’ll figure that out soon, I’m sure.
As I write this, new poster sprale has four posts, in three threads, and all of them are about gun-related issues.
I encourage the newbie to branch out a little bit.
Nah, mostly fuck Florida. I lived there a while, barely survived, so have some experience. Florida puts the F in WTF!
I just don’t think that the state should discourage the First Amendment right of a doctor to ask a question they feel relevant. Most practices are private, so it’s a business. If you don’t like what your doctor says, find another doctor. If he’s way out of line, complain to the state medical board. Medical issues and public safety issues are mostly separate.
I’m sure I will in time. I just stumbled onto these couple of posts. I didn’t say I’d been here long, just added some opinions on topics I find of interest.
I’m going to say this as gently as possible–you’re an idiot. I’m the guy who advocates legal machine guns and all that, so it’s not because I’m anti-gun.
The fact of the matter is, the primary impetus for this law doctor was a pediatrician discussing childproofing a house. Gun ownership is every kind of relevant to that. Period.
He’s not saying it should be illegal for the doctor to refuse to treat the patient. He’s just saying it’s dumb. I disagree, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable position.
And again, if that is what occurred (which is not all that clear) it already is against established guidelines regarding patient abandonment. He can dismiss the family for abusive or threatening behavior to him or staff, for non-payment, for multiple missed appointments, so on, but not just for refusing to answer a question.
I suspect that the woman got very upset at his daring to ask about guns and crossed an unacceptable behavior line (in my office yelling or swearing at staff - at me is okay - or causing a scene in the waiting room would do it) and was either dismissed for that reason, or was not actually dismissed but was encouraged to consider finding a practice more to her liking (which I have done on occasion when it is clear that a parent will be regularly unhappy with our practice style).
Thank you for being gentle with me. I just can’t handle it when others don’t share my opinions. :rolleyes:
Bingo, I believe that the doctor should be able to ask a question of me that he has no place asking, and that I have the right to answer or not. I don’t think that the state has any place regulating that freedom of speech. If there is a good reason for asking (like having a history of gun-related accidents), then the doctor should have that freedom to inquire to as to the safety of the patient. I don’t care whether the doctor has an opinion on guns either way. I only care that they are capable of treating or preventing physical health-related issues.
In which case, she has the right to complain to the state board. Legislation preventing a doctor from asking the question is not necessary, as if the doctor is out of line he already has to answer to the board.
The real idiots are those who ask the government to legislate against groups or individuals on such flaky grounds. Silencing someone’s First Amendment rights to protect someone else’s Second Amendment rights is more fail than win.
Incidentally, in Florida a physician can dismiss a patient for refusing to answer questions under our medical noncompliance statute, subject to the 30 day warning and other usual requirements.
Refusing to answer a question counts as “noncompliance” there? Wow. Florida really is something else.
Anyway, since this thread has been bumped, here is the current state of the lawsuit. The case for an injunction to block the law is up tomorrow. The NRA tried to formally participate in the proceedings but they have been told no by the judge.
Stay tuned.
Thread bump for the greater good.
Saw thisearlier today. Here’s the ruling(warning: pdf).
Suffice to say, the law restricted free speech.
Can’t say I was surprised. Reading the judge’s comments about the Florida Legislature was a hoot.
Good call on the judge’s part. (More after I read it in detail.)
Thank you for the update.
I see that Scott says the state plans to appeal the ruling.
Meanwhile also no surprise that I am pleased to not be surprised. The ruling not only reverses this particular law, but should help chill attempts to get other similar laws passed in other states.
As a “gun nut”, I concur–it’s a good ruling.
Well, the only other thing I have to say is that I hate having my nose rubbed in the fact that “my side” does stupid shit like passing this law. It’s a solid decision.
Which republican law does that?
318 posts into a thread about a Republican passed law that limits the free speech a doctor can have with their patients and you have to ask? If you can’t read the fucking thread move on.
Didn’t see that coming, actually.