# Fukushima still melting down, still a nuclear disaster **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282 "2013-10-03T17:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/181 "2013-12-18T15:13:37Z")
Now, the percentage of D&D players who have committed Orcicide is 100%. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/182 "2013-12-18T20:14:25Z")
> [@](#): > > SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan — Five months after participating in humanitarian operations for the March 11, 2011, earthquake and tsunami that led to nuclear disaster in Japan, Petty Officer 3rd Class Daniel Hair’s body began to betray him. > > He had sharp hip pains, constant scabbing in his nose, back pain, memory loss, severe anxiety and a constant high-pitch ringing in his ears as his immune system began to attack his body. The diagnosis, he said, was a genetic immune system disease, which on X-rays looked to have made his hip joint jagged and his spine arthritic. He was put on a host of medications and eventually separated from the Navy job he loved. > > Hair believes radiation is the cause. He is among 50 sailors and Marines in a growing lawsuit against Tokyo Electric Power Co., alleging that Japan’s nationalized utility mishandled the meltdown at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant that spewed radiation into the air and water. [http://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512](http://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512) > [@](#): > > December 12, 2013 – Crew members in their mid-20’s from the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan are coming down with all sorts of radiation-related illnesses after being deployed less than 3 years ago to assist with earthquake rescue operations off the coast of Japan in 2011. It looks as though the onboard desalinization systems that take salt out of seawater to make it drinkable, were taking-in radioactive water from the ocean for the crew to drink, cook with and bath-in, before anyone realized there was a massive radiation spill into the ocean. [http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/99-pat](http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/99-pat) > [@](#): > > Fifty-one U.S. sailors - many in their 20s - say they contracted several types of cancer during humanitarian aid operations in response to the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster. > > The sailors - crew members of the USS Ronald Reagan - are now among the growing list of plaintiffs in an over $2 billion lawsuit against Japan’s nationalized utility company, Tokyo Electric. The suit alleges the company lied about the radiation danger to rescue crews. [http://politix.topix.com/homepage/9450-51-u-s-sailors-are-the-latest-victims-of-the-fukushima-nuclear-disaster](http://politix.topix.com/homepage/9450-51-u-s-sailors-are-the-latest-victims-of-the-fukushima-nuclear-disaster) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/183 "2013-12-18T20:19:07Z")
I just realized that the water tanks they are storing the contaminated water in, [are uphill from what used to be the Fukushima power plant](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=fukushima+daiichi+power+plant&ll=37.419101,141.029778&spn=0.007192,0.013797&fb=1&gl=us&hq=fukushima+daiichi&cid=6658998288752585720&t=h&z=16). I can already see it now. After a quake causes a mini tsunami of radioactive water to pour down hill into the already dangerous site, somebody will be saying “Who could have forseen this?”. Now the site is off limits from the radiation levels. back to extreme crisis mode. Fukushima, the reactors that just keep on giving. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/184 "2013-12-18T21:05:24Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Mother Nature is at the head of the anti-nuclear movement, and she is a lot more effective than those dern hippies. She has destroyed the nuclear industry with on damaging earthquake and a large tsunami. Unlike the hippies, Mother Nature doesn’t lie or engage in politics. She just kicks ass. > > No amount of nuclear lying is going to bring back respectability to nuclear power. > > And by the way, there are nuclear power plants in the US that are directly downstream from damns that can fail. [Coverup: Risk of Nuclear Melt-Down in U.S. Higher than it was at Fukushima - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization](http://globalresearch.ca/coverup-risk-of-nuclear-melt-down-in-u-s-higher-than-it-was-at-fukushima/5309002) Mother Nature is the head of the [anti](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina)- [city](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vargas_tragedy) movement, the [anti](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)-[energy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam)movement, and the [anti-human](http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=xx&v=26) movement. Nuclear supplies ~ %6 of the worlds energy yet it causes %0.04 death per [deaths per terawatt hour](http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html). For comparison, Solar provides %0.44 of the worlds energy but causes 10 times as many deaths per terawatt hour as nuclear. Get a fucking clue. Slee \*Yeah, I know this is responding way late to the post. However it drives me batshit when I see these kinds of dumb ass arguments. Guess what? Nature is trying to kill you from the moment you are born. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/185 "2013-12-18T21:10:53Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > . . . Solar provides %0.44 of the worlds energy but causes 10 times as many deaths per terawatt hour as nuclear. . . . And Solar Energy involves deadly radiation too! (People have died from sunburns…) (I’m quipping, but I’m on your side. Real statistics tend not to appeal to true believers, but even with Fukushima and Chernobyl, nuclear power is safer than nearly all other forms. How many people have died in coal mines? Maybe a hundred times as many as have died from nuclear power!) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/186 "2013-12-18T21:11:58Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Nature is trying to kill you from the moment you are born. Nature always wins in the end. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/187 "2013-12-18T23:12:25Z")
It can’t happen soon enough ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/188 "2013-12-19T00:00:28Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Be happy. Nuclear isn’t dead. Cool. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/189 "2013-12-19T00:27:23Z")
> [@XT](#): > > We all need a good laugh along with the rolling of eyes to perk us up and make our day complete. Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/190 "2013-12-19T01:16:28Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Mother Nature is the head of the [anti](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina)- [city](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vargas_tragedy) movement, the [anti](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)-[energy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam)movement, and the [anti-human](http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=xx&v=26) movement. > > Nuclear supplies ~ %6 of the worlds energy yet it causes %0.04 death per [deaths per terawatt hour](http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html). For comparison, Solar provides %0.44 of the worlds energy but causes 10 times as many deaths per terawatt hour as nuclear. > > Get a fucking clue. > > Slee > > \*Yeah, I know this is responding way late to the post. However it drives me batshit when I see these kinds of dumb ass arguments. Guess what? Nature is trying to kill you from the moment you are born. People fall off their roofs installing solar and that’s your argument? Yes, of course let’s all go nuke. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/191 "2013-12-19T01:20:36Z")
CBS Radio News reports the lawsuit is being dismissed. The judge said he didn’t have jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/192 "2013-12-19T04:04:18Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > People fall off their roofs installing solar and that’s your argument? Yes, of course let’s all go nuke. Right. And I don’t think there is a full accounting of deaths due to nuclear since the waste introduces a ‘tail’ that lasts for thousands and thousands of years. Not that I’m fiercely anti-nuke, but this is worth pointing out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/193 "2013-12-19T04:10:57Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Mother Nature is the head of the [anti](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina)- [city](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vargas_tragedy) movement, the [anti](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)-[energy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam)movement, and the [anti-human](http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=xx&v=26) movement. > > Nuclear supplies ~ %6 of the worlds energy yet it causes %0.04 death per [deaths per terawatt hour](http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html). For comparison, Solar provides %0.44 of the worlds energy but causes 10 times as many deaths per terawatt hour as nuclear. > > Get a fucking clue. > > Slee > > \*Yeah, I know this is responding way late to the post. However it drives me batshit when I see these kinds of dumb ass arguments. Guess what? Nature is trying to kill you from the moment you are born. F’ the second law of thermodynamics! It’s really too bad about those USS Ronald Reagan sailors, who are probably making it all up because nuclear power is perfectly safe and doesn’t cause anyone any harm. Just ask the neighbors at Fukashima! I’d start a thread about just the sailors, who, according to our thread here, didn’t manage to pick a judge with jurisdiction, but are still going to suffer and die anyway. I wasn’t aware that there was a rule that prevented anyone from starting a thread on nuclear catastrophes, so it is good to be informed of that, I won’t do it again. While it would be nice to have a suitable place on the internet to whine and swear about what bastards nuclear engineers and their fellow fellationists are, our inexorable march toward a “more safe and secure society” doesn’t require that “we watch what we say” as Ari Fleischer so adroitly put it before he commanded Ann Coulter to shove some liberals up against a wall. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/194 "2013-12-19T04:16:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Right. And I don’t think there is a full accounting of deaths due to nuclear since the waste introduces a ‘tail’ that lasts for thousands and thousands of years. Not that I’m fiercely anti-nuke, but this is worth pointing out. Yes, but that isn’t a problem that we have the ability to solve and deal with now, but rather can kick the can down the road several times consecutively for several thousand years. Effectively this allows us here and now to incur a huge debt and pass it on to the future without accounting for it or planning for the retirement of this debt. The people who are enriched in the short run will all be dead when the bills start coming due and we can sell future generations into financial servitude for our immediate benefit. And by “our” I mean those that will profit from the nuclear industry. If you consider the future environment to be of zero value, and what fascist doesn’t?, nuclear is the perfect investment. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/195 "2013-12-19T04:24:12Z")
Screw future generations. They’ll have it easier than us, with their rocket pants and pill food and such. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/196 "2013-12-19T04:43:15Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > . . . I wasn’t aware that there was a rule that prevented anyone from starting a thread on nuclear catastrophes, so it is good to be informed of that, I won’t do it again. . . . Actually, there’s a rule against people named after stones, so all of your posts are technically forbidden here. So… G’bye. (Hey, if he’s stupid enough to believe what he claims, he might be stupid enough to believe this too.) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/197 "2013-12-19T09:24:18Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I wasn’t aware that there was a rule that prevented anyone from starting a thread on nuclear catastrophes, so it is good to be informed of that, I won’t do it again. I believe that applies only to one poster in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/198 "2013-12-19T14:26:24Z")
> [@](#): > > **Marley23** > I Am the One Who Bans > > Don’t start another thread on this topic. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14214898#post14214898](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14214898#post14214898) Since “the topic” is a fluid and undefined thing, best to not take chances. Besides, everybody knows nuclear is safe and no matter what Fukushima isn’t really a bad thing. Hell, I don’t even know why they built containment for all those reactors. Even when radioactive fuel leaks out for years, nothing bad happens. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/199 "2013-12-19T15:12:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14214898#post14214898](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14214898#post14214898) > > Since “the topic” is a fluid and undefined thing, best to not take chances. Besides, everybody knows nuclear is safe and no matter what Fukushima isn’t really a bad thing. > > Hell, I don’t even know why they built containment for all those reactors. Even when radioactive fuel leaks out for years, nothing bad happens. Straw on sale this week, ehe? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/200 "2013-12-19T15:22:32Z")
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