# Fukushima still melting down, still a nuclear disaster **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282 "2013-10-03T17:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/221 "2013-12-23T17:20:59Z")
Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow! Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow! Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/222 "2013-12-23T17:25:24Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > I just … Masturbatingmindlessly… dipshit … Like most every last insulting fuckhead, nothing about Fukushima … or science … or anything of value really, in regards to factual things, concerns, it’s quite amazing how some people just close their minds when faced with anything to do with nuclear power > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > The sun is a fusion reactor that bathes our planet in more usable energy every hour than is used in a year. And as soon as it can be taxed, and make money for the wealthy, it will be used like crazy. Hell, you make it like Germany so the utilities have to buy it at the rate they charge (or a penny under), solar would take off in the US like crazy. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/223 "2013-12-23T17:37:37Z")
The problem the propagandists face in this world of instant images, news and data, social networks and global communication, is how to stop the flow of information. How do you keep a lid on things when people can simply post data online? or doctors and researchers can share instantly? How do you stop knowledge in today’s world? And how can you spin it? S **urge in cancers among young in Fukushima, but experts divided on cause** > **[Surge in cancers among young in Fukushima, but experts divided on cause](https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1388611/surge-cancers-among-young-fukushima-experts-divided-cause)** > > Fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with or are suspected of having thyroid cancer, but experts are divided about whether their illness is caused by nuclear radiation. how long can Doctors and insurance companies and families be kept quiet? And how can you spin this one? It’s not some commie totalitarian nightmare of a country. It’s not some remote location. It’s the heartland of Japan. It’s a lot of real people and real children. I feel sort of sorry for the deluded nuclear nutcases who think this was no big deal. They are so far in denial they are a joke. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/224 "2013-12-23T17:43:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Yukinori Kuwano, a former Sanyo Electric Co. president and an early developer of solar technology, said the solar industry at the moment has the potential to make photovoltaic power more competitive compared with conventional power sources. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/solar-pioneer-says-fukushima-can-make-japan-clean-energy-hotbed.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/solar-pioneer-says-fukushima-can-make-japan-clean-energy-hotbed.html) I’m a huge fan of clean renewable energy, especially solar. this Fukushing disaster has actually pushed the cost of nuclear off the scale for Japan. You can’t even measure the cost that nuclear reactors has had on Japan anymore. Solar is at this point far cheaper. For the cost of cleanup alone all of Japan could be solar powered, and it’s not even that sunny of a clime. Add the cost of all the lost real estate, and damage from cancers and the loss of seafood, solar is probably so much cheaper than nuclear now, it’s a joke. Haha Just not very funny. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/225 "2013-12-23T17:44:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The problem the propagandists face in this world of instant images, news and data, social networks and global communication, is how to stop the flow of information. > > How do you keep a lid on things when people can simply post data online? or doctors and researchers can share instantly? How do you stop knowledge in today’s world? And how can you spin it? > > S **urge in cancers among young in Fukushima, but experts divided on cause** > [Surge in cancers among young in Fukushima, but experts divided on cause | South China Morning Post](http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1388611/surge-cancers-among-young-fukushima-experts-divided-cause) > > how long can Doctors and insurance companies and families be kept quiet? And how can you spin this one? > > It’s not some commie totalitarian nightmare of a country. It’s not some remote location. It’s the heartland of Japan. It’s a lot of real people and real children. > > I feel sort of sorry for the deluded nuclear nutcases who think this was no big deal. They are so far in denial they are a joke. They irony of your post, especially the last sentence is basically off the charts. But then, that’s par for the course for you, since you are an epic fuckwad and an idiot of astonishing proportions. From your own (obscure as usual) cite: > [@](#): > > Fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with or are suspected of having thyroid cancer, but experts are divided about whether their illness is caused by nuclear radiation. > [@](#): > > He compared the figures in Fukushima with cancer registration statistics throughout Japan from 1975 to 2008 that showed an annual average of five to 11 people in their late teens to early 20s developing cancer for every 1 million people. > > Tetsuya Ohira, a professor of epidemiology at Fukushima Medical University, disagreed. It was not scientific to compare the Fukushima tests with cancer registry statistics, he argued. > > In November, prefectural officials deemed it unlikely that the increase in suspected and confirmed cases of cancer was linked to radiation exposure. > [@](#): > > In the Chernobyl disaster of 1986, it was not until four or five years after the accident that thyroid cancer cases surged. I’d give the standard ‘when come back, bring some facts’, but that’s really wasted on you. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/226 "2013-12-23T17:49:35Z")
Since giving exposed children and adults iodine to prevent absorbing radio-iodine prevents cancer, this latest joke, in what will be a very long series of tragedies, just points out how deceiving the populations exposed to nuclear radiation is a fucking bad idea. Seriously, it’s fucking criminal. they lied and deceived about the amounts, the kinds, and the time that people were being exposed to radiation from the goddamn reactors. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/227 "2013-12-23T19:13:25Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > How far away is fusion power? We can’t keep “not quite” obtaining it forever…can we? 20 years, same as always. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/228 "2013-12-24T07:18:27Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Like most every last insulting fuckhead, nothing about Fukushima … or science … or anything of value really, in regards to factual things, concerns, it’s quite amazing how some people just close their minds when faced with anything to do with nuclear power [Moderating] Don’t play games with the quote box like that. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/229 "2013-12-24T17:23:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Don’t play games with the quote box like that. > [/Moderating] Could I have a clarification on what happened? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/230 "2013-12-24T17:25:40Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Could I have a clarification on what happened? Seems clear enough. Scroll up to post #222 and look at the first quote box. If you see nothing wrong with it then you are blind. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/231 "2013-12-24T18:10:24Z")
It seems typing out a bunch of idiot screed is fine, but don’t you go leaving out anything when you use a quote box. People might be confused. In any case, whatever you do, don’t introduce any science or logic to a topic. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/232 "2013-12-24T18:11:39Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > In any case, whatever you do, don’t introduce any science or logic to a topic. That does seem to be your motto and the words you live by. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/233 "2013-12-24T18:34:26Z")
> [@XT](#): > > That does seem to be your motto and the words you live by. 😛 He is also cute on manipulating quotes to look as if they are new and a continuation of a discussion (Seems to me that he is finding ways to get around the rules to not repeatedly bump threads by the OP), when the quote he recycled from another poster was already used and replied by him already. A self feeding troll indeed, that is why I do not feed him in the other thread but he is deluding himself by thinking that I left there because he "showed"me, in reality he only shows to be a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/234 "2013-12-24T18:50:47Z")
Back to the story that drives the nuclear moonbats just crazy. Children with cancer. Can you imagine anything worse for a nuclear cheerleader than a bunch of kids with cancer, caused by Fukushima? I guess it would be the cheerleaders trying to tell everyone it is a coincidence. That would be even worse for their cause. > **[Surge in cancers among young in Fukushima, but experts divided on cause](https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1388611/surge-cancers-among-young-fukushima-experts-divided-cause)** > > Fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with or are suspected of having thyroid cancer, but experts are divided about whether their illness is caused by nuclear radiation. > [@](#): > > Fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with or are suspected of having thyroid cancer, but experts are divided about whether their illness is caused by nuclear radiation. Bullshit, the oncologists and honest Doctors are not divided. That’s typical spin right there. You can actually tell from just the story. If you use logic. > [@](#): > > All of them were younger than 18 at the time of the nuclear meltdown in the area in March 2011. They were identified in tests by the prefectural government, which covered 239,000 people by the end of September. So we know they were exposed to the Fukushima accident. > [@](#): > > At a meeting hosted by Japan’s Environmental Ministry and the prefectural government on Saturday, most experts were not convinced radiation leaks from the Fukushima nuclear plant could trigger thyroid cancer in children so soon, the Asahi Shimbun reported yesterday. Ah, of course, it’s so soon. There’s the problem. > [@](#): > > Among those who voiced alarm was Toshihide Tsuda, a professor of epidemiology at Okayama University. He called upon the government to prepare for a possible increase in cases in the future. of course, because when the real cancers show up, it will be a much larger number. Now here comes the good part. > [@](#): > > “The rate at which children in Fukushima prefecture have developed thyroid cancer can be called frequent, because it is several times to several tens of times higher,” the newspaper quoted him as saying. Really? How do we know this? > [@](#): > > He compared the figures in Fukushima with cancer registration statistics throughout Japan from 1975 to 2008 that showed an annual average of five to 11 people in their late teens to early 20s developing cancer for every 1 million people Here we go. > [@](#): > > They were identified in tests by the prefectural government, which covered 239,000 people by the end of September. > [@](#): > > Fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture So the rate should be 1 to 3 kids would ordinarily get thyroid cancer. But instead it’s at least 59. Ok then. Of course there is CONFUSION about the cause. It could be just about anything that caused a tremendous jump like that. Just because they were exposed to a huge amount of radioactive iodine from three reactors that melted down and blew the fuck up, that doesn’t mean anything. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/235 "2013-12-24T18:53:56Z")
It’s fucking hilarious that the very same people who CARE so very much about the world, who are so AFRAID of global warming, at the same time deny there could be any danger, any harm, any real problem from the worst nuclear disaster in history. You can just see them, reading about the children with cancer, and all they can think is “it couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the radiation released from Fukushima”. And at the very same time, they can’t grasp why they are viewed as a goddamn joke. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/236 "2013-12-24T18:56:24Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Could I have a clarification on what happened? Notice that the post the Mod quoted was altered to leave out information. The irony, oh the irony. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/237 "2013-12-24T19:00:46Z")
Ah, a regurge of the same info from the outstanding and well respected South China Morning Post. But I’m glad you cleared things up and that it’s only the ‘the oncologists and honest Doctors’ that are not divided. 😛 If you weren’t so obviously a troll I’d point out what a major tool you are…but it seems a bit redundant. Here’s the thing, moron…there is little doubt that the disaster at fukushima is going to cause some non-zero number of people to get cancer. Some non-zero number of them will die…and both of these non-zero numbers will be greater than the also non-zero number of folks who would otherwise have contracted cancer and died had the disaster never occurred. That is all absolutely true. But consider…even if your 59 young people here all did get cancer directly from Fukushima AND they all die from it, it’s a drop in the bucket compared to THE FUCKING DISASTER THAT CAUSED ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN! 10’s of THOUSANDS were killed, and hundreds of thousands lost their homes due to the earth quakes and tsunami that caused all of this. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/238 "2013-12-24T19:07:05Z")
You can tell he said important stuff, because he used all caps. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/239 "2013-12-24T19:13:58Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > It’s fucking hilarious that the very same people who CARE so very much about the world, who are so AFRAID of global warming, at the same time deny there could be any danger, any harm, any real problem from the worst nuclear disaster in history. You can just see them, reading about the children with cancer, and all they can think is “it couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the radiation released from Fukushima”. > > And at the very same time, they can’t grasp why they are viewed as a goddamn joke. Because they are able to grasp something that is obviously beyond you…that being the ability to weigh and measure relative risk and make a decent risk assessment. Take your sensational story here from your (as usual) obscure source…59 young people MIGHT have contracted cancer from the Fukushima disaster. Let’s pretend for a moment that this actually is the case with all of them, and further, let’s pretend that this is merely the tip of the iceberg. Actually, it’s 2 orders of magnitude worse, and it’s really 5900 people who definitely, for sure have contracted cancer from the Fukushima diaster since it happened. Nuclear is really, REALLY dangerous, right? Wrong. Even with this exaggeration it doesn’t come close to the numbers of people adversely affected by the generation of electricity from coal. Even WITH Fukushima having happened (and ignoring that it took a truly epic disaster that caused 10’s of thousands of deaths and destruction on a massive scale to cause it to happen) the potential deaths from radiation from Fukushima is much, much less than what happens due to coal EVERY YEAR. I know you won’t understand any of this (or, being the troll you are, you will understand it but ignore the meaning or ramifications), but there might be some lurker out there reading this and perhaps they will be able to grasp the implications. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/240 "2013-12-24T19:22:58Z")
> [@XT](#): > > but there might be some lurker out there reading this In your goddamn dreams. You aren’t just stupid, you are BORING as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282.md?page=13)