# Fukushima still melting down, still a nuclear disaster **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282 "2013-10-03T17:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/161 "2013-12-17T13:54:30Z")
Could somebody start a goddamn pit thread about how the sailors exposed to Fukushima raidiation now have cancer and are suing TEPCO? [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVSlT80q1io) [http://www.reddit.com/r/navy/comments/1swxab/51\_sailors\_from\_uss\_ronald\_reagan\_suffering/ce275i4](http://www.reddit.com/r/navy/comments/1swxab/51_sailors_from_uss_ronald_reagan_suffering/ce275i4) 51 soldiers with cancer? From the USS Ronald Reagan? Goddamn, how they gonna cover this up? Oh yeah, same way the rest is covered up. Just don’t report o it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/162 "2013-12-17T13:55:46Z")
I’m not allowed to start any threads mentioning Fukushima or melting reactors, radiation contamination, or any other nuclear disaster. Fucking Pit, how does it work? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/163 "2013-12-17T17:00:02Z")
Since you are such an obsessive troll I doubt anyone will respond to you. However, I was bored so did some searching: The most, um, credible article I could find on the supposed 51 sailors who have cancer from rescue efforts at Fukushima was [this](http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-officialblog/2013/12/16/uss-reagan-sailorsreportcancersafterfukushimarescuemission.html) one on AlJazeera America. > [@](#): > > Fifty-one crew members of the USS Ronald Reagan say they are suffering from a variety of cancers as a direct result of their involvement in Operation Tomodachi, a U.S. rescue mission in Fukushima after the nuclear disaster in March 2011. The affected sailors are suing Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), alleging that the utility mishandled the crisis and did not adequately warn the crew of the risk of participating in the earthquake relief efforts. > > Crew members, many of whom are in their 20s, have been diagnosed with conditions including thyroid cancer, testicular cancer and leukemia. The Department of Defense says the Navy took “proactive measures” in order to "mitigate the levels of Fukushima-related contamination on U.S. Navy ships and aircraft” and that crew members were not exposed to dangerous radiation levels. > > Charles Bonner, attorney for the sailors, says the radiation the USS Ronald Reagan crew was exposed to extended beyond the tasks of Operation Tomodachi. Deployed ships desalinate their own water, so crew members were unknowingly drinking, cooking with, and bathing in contaminated water due to the ship’s close proximity to the disaster site, according to Bonner. The USS Reagan was ultimately informed of the contamination after a month of living approximately 10 miles offshore from the affected region. I’m going to go with a tentative bullshit on this until I see more information. It seems unlikely to me that 51 sailors are already showing major signs of cancer from radiation from Fukushima, since afaik that’s less than the number of Japanese (who live there) are showing at this point. Cancer from radiation exposure usually takes a bit longer to start to manifest, and 51 out of a crew of 5000 seems awfully high to me this early. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/164 "2013-12-17T17:03:01Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m not allowed to start any threads mentioning Fukushima or melting reactors, radiation contamination, or any other nuclear disaster. > > Fucking Pit, how does it work? Well, if you weren’t such an obsessive and idiotic (and obvious) troll, you could start all the threads you wanted in the Pit and everywhere else on any subject you desired. But you do chain posts in the threads you are in where there will be 4 or 5 of your posts in a row with no one responding, and you are so obviously trolling that you’ve been limited, for the good of the board, to posting in the few train wreck threads on Fukushima that already exist. Them’s the breaks, chief. Don’t be an obsessive troll…that’s the lesson you should take away from all of this. But you won’t. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/165 "2013-12-17T17:15:54Z")
> **[In growing lawsuit, servicemembers fault TEPCO for radiation-related illnesses](https://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512)** > > 50 sailors and Marines are suing Tokyo Electric Power Co., alleging that the mishandling of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant meltdown has led to serious health problems. Don’t worry. There are people on this. Debunking efforts are underway. We will make damn sure no sailor ever gets a dime. And no blame will ever be laid at TEPCOs feet. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/166 "2013-12-17T17:16:27Z")
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**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/167 "2013-12-17T17:18:27Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Well, if you weren’t such an obsessive and idiotic (and obvious) troll Unlike you, and the other fuckheads that seem to have unlimited time to spend, I provide sources and science and stuff like that to back shit up. You don’t. So suck it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/168 "2013-12-17T17:27:18Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Unlike you, and the other fuckheads that seem to have unlimited time to spend, I provide sources and science and stuff like that to back shit up. > > You don’t. So suck it. When you have some evidence, do come back. I’ve enjoyed lurking in the train wreck on global warming where you’ve presented your interpretation of what constitutes ‘science and stuff’ to back up your obvious ‘shit’. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/169 "2013-12-17T17:30:47Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512](http://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512) > > Don’t worry. There are people on this. Debunking efforts are underway. We will make damn sure no sailor ever gets a dime. And no blame will ever be laid at TEPCOs feet. Thus far you’ve presented zero actual evidence of more than the fact that some sailors are suing TEPCO for alleged radiation poisoning. Thus far the MOST credible cite for the STORY I’ve found is on AlJazeera’s American web site, and that just confirms that, indeed some sailors are suing TEPCO. I’m sure you don’t understand what this means or why it’s not really proof of anything, since once again you have leapt to conclusions that simply confirm your own idiotic preconceptions of the situation that validates your fucked up world view. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/170 "2013-12-17T17:32:06Z")
Somebody on another discussion thread tried to debunk the possibility that any sailors could blame TEPCO and radiation for their cancers. I went something like this. 50 out of 5000 sailorsd is one percent, (the average numbers on a Nuclear carrier). [Percentage of getting cancer is greater than that](http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer). So they just have normal cancer rates. Case closed. There is no face palm large enough … ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/171 "2013-12-17T17:35:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Somebody on another discussion thread tried to debunk the possibility that any sailors could blame TEPCO and radiation for their cancers. I went something like this. > > 50 out of 5000 sailorsd is one percent, (the average numbers on a Nuclear carrier). > [Percentage of getting cancer is greater than that](http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer). > So they just have normal cancer rates. Case closed. > > There is no face palm large enough … No, there isn’t a face palm large enough for more of your bone headed tripe. The TITLE OF YOUR CITE: > [@](#): > > Lifetime Risk of Developing or Dying From Cancer My emphasis, underlined since you are so clueless. No wonder most folks have abandoned even pointing and making fun of you in the global warming thread. 😛 First paragraph: > [@](#): > > The lifetime risk of developing or dying from cancer refers to the chance a person has, over the course of his or her lifetime (from birth to death), of being diagnosed with or dying from cancer. These risk estimates, like annual incidence and mortality data, provide another measure of how widespread cancer is in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/172 "2013-12-17T17:39:16Z")
That was the argument some fuckhead was presenting. That you find it clueless means we agree. They are a fuckhead with out a clue. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/173 "2013-12-17T19:39:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Unlike you, and the other fuckheads that seem to have unlimited time to spend, I provide sources and science and stuff like that to back shit up. > > You don’t. So suck it. Ha ha ha ha. Shit dude, that was fucking great. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. Comedy fucking gold! Science and stuff. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/174 "2013-12-17T20:16:33Z")
It’s a big ball of timey-wimey, sciency-wiency stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/175 "2013-12-17T21:44:55Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > . . . 50 out of 5000 sailorsd is one percent, (the average numbers on a Nuclear carrier). > [Percentage of getting cancer is greater than that](http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer). > So they just have normal cancer rates. Case closed. . . . With no more information that this, that argument would be valid. This reminds me of the panic over fantasy roleplaying games “causing” suicides among teenagers. The smoking gun? Three! Three teenagers who played D&D had committed suicide! The trouble is that so many millions of teenagers were playing that game, that three suicides is vastly below the expected rate! What they’d unintentionally demonstrated (if their data had been complete) was that D&D was immensely effective at preventing teen suicide! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/176 "2013-12-17T22:04:08Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > With no more information that this, that argument would be valid. > > This reminds me of the panic over fantasy roleplaying games “causing” suicides among teenagers. The smoking gun? Three! Three teenagers who played D&D had committed suicide! The trouble is that so many millions of teenagers were playing that game, that three suicides is vastly below the expected rate! What they’d unintentionally demonstrated (if their data had been complete) was that D&D was immensely effective at preventing teen suicide! Eh, correlation != causation. After all, it could just be that people who play D&D naturally are more imaginative, and this makes them better in every conceivable way to normal humans. Fukkin’ White Dragons, bitches. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/177 "2013-12-17T22:44:39Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Fukkin’ White Dragons, bitches. Racist. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/178 "2013-12-17T22:56:17Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Fukkin’ White Dragons, bitches. Are you implying that D&D players are into beastiality ? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/179 "2013-12-18T01:30:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Ha ha ha ha. Shit dude, that was fucking great. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. Comedy fucking gold! > > Science and stuff. Awesome. You should hear me at parties. I’m much better in person. especially with the sarcasm, which is hard to convey typing and shit like that. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282/180 "2013-12-18T02:58:45Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Eh, correlation != causation. . . . Certainly true. However, correlation with a lack of any other correlation is the definition of causation. You’re right, of course, that some other correlation is possible. That’s very often the case, which is why controlled experiments are so important (and difficult.) Still, love a duck! If it were only true! (That only three D&D players have ever committed suicide.) It would certainly be incredibly suggestive of some underlying cause-and-effect. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fukushima-still-melting-down-still-a-nuclear-disaster/670282.md?page=10)