# Fundamentalist Ignorance triumphs again (A creationism rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 27, 2002, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870 "2002-09-27T14:20:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2002, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/61 "2002-10-02T23:06:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > They give you tests that ask how did man originate and how’s a Christian supposed to answer that? With the truth, as opposed to any number of a myriad of Creationism myths. Have you not yet caught onto the fact that most early religions had creation stories to use when their children asked those time-honored questions, like “Where do babies come from”, “Why do I have a belly-button”, and of course “Are we there yet?”, the lattermost being the times when God smote children;) Or were you unaware of the preponderance of non-J/C creationism stories that resemble (though they do not mirror) the two in the Bible? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2002, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/62 "2002-10-02T23:10:05Z")
_Will NO ONE agree with this woman?!_ 😉 creation is not science. ---
**Author:** ![dave316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dave316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dave316)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2002, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/63 "2002-10-02T23:14:57Z")
here in my small religious crackpot filled small town. There was a guy who wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper complaining about a article on evolution in the letter he wrote “man cannot use animal blood! which proves evolution is a lie, blood is life!” ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2002, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/64 "2002-10-02T23:20:03Z")
Of course, assuming that **H4E** ever returns to this thread, you just KNOW her rebuttal to our posts will be, “I can’t answer your questions, and I I don’t know enough about biology to argue my point, but God made the Earth in 7 days and He made Adam and Eve just like it says in my Bible, so there!” The woman is absolutely impervious to reason, evidence, or logic. ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2002, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/65 "2002-10-02T23:41:19Z")
How interesting that in a thread with a title that contains the phrase “fundamentalist ignorance” that we should get such a shining example of it on the first page. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/66 "2002-10-03T00:28:41Z")
**Fundamentalist Ignorance** would be a fine username, I think. Perhaps a petition for the name change? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/67 "2002-10-03T02:40:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Your little pet **theory** of evolution is just that, a theory. It’s not a proven fact. Were you around millions of years ago or even 6000 yeares ago? You weren’t there yet you say you know exactly what happened because science says so? I for one am glad for any school that starts teaching creation along with the theory of evolution. Christian kids shouldn’t have to have this theory shoved down their throats when they don’t believe it’s true. They give you tests that ask how did man originate and how’s a Christian supposed to answer that? \*\* Oh man. And you were doing _so well._ You had given every indication that you were actually thinking about things, that you were slowly becoming aware of how idiotic the typically close-minded Christian harangue comes across. You were showing signs of actual compassion and intelligence, of recognizing the value in showing consideration and respect for alternate points of view, and gave us hope that you were going to join the **dreamer** camp instead of **JerseyDiamond** ’s. And then, this. I give up. You’re just another garden-variety spindlewit with a head full of oyster come. Your God sucks, and your religion is a bad joke. Buh bye. ---
**Author:** ![Legomancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/779978/32.png) [@Legomancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legomancer)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/68 "2002-10-03T14:21:12Z")
Honestly, this is why I support school vouchers. I’m all for a system that allows parents to easily take their kids out of the public schools and instead send them to a school where they can learn about creationism, or that the universe is on the back of a giant tortoise, or that it was all hatched from a golden egg, or whatever the hell they want, so that my kids can then learn about actual science in peace. I’ve got no problem with my tax dollars funding this, since my tax dollars already fund a bunch of crap I don’t like but have no say in, so what’s one more thing? This way, they get to learn that Joshua or whoever stopped the earth for a day 3000 years ago and my kid gets to learn about the real world. It’s win-win. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Maximino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@Mighty\_Maximino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Maximino)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/69 "2002-10-03T15:02:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Legomancer \* > \*\*Honestly, this is why I support school vouchers. I’m all for a system that allows parents to easily take their kids out of the public schools and instead send them to a school where they can learn about creationism, or that the universe is on the back of a giant tortoise, or that it was all hatched from a golden egg, or whatever the hell they want, so that my kids can then learn about actual science in peace. I’ve got no problem with my tax dollars funding this, since my tax dollars already fund a bunch of crap I don’t like but have no say in, so what’s one more thing? This way, they get to learn that Joshua or whoever stopped the earth for a day 3000 years ago and my kid gets to learn about the real world. It’s win-win. \*\* As appealing as this sounds, it seems like a really bad idea to create a permanent scientific underclass. I don’t know how many people actually change their scientific opinions in public schools, but it must be some, and we’re certainly not going to get any genetic engineers or master biologists out of the creationist high school followed by a Pd.D in Young-Earthism from Whackjob U. I don’t want my tax money supporting these people learning lies, and useless lies at that. Do those guys actually do anything but write books and do speaking tours? I actually heard Gish speak in person and if I’d been a creationist, I would have immediately bought a copy of The Origin of Species and started sleeping with it under my pillow. He just got his ass handed to him by both the people he was debating and random members of the audience – it was just absurd that anyone takes him or his arguments seriously. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/70 "2002-10-03T15:22:06Z")
> [@](#): > > As appealing as this sounds, it seems like a really bad idea to create a permanent scientific underclass. I don’t know how many people actually change their scientific opinions in public schools, but it must be some, and we’re certainly not going to get any genetic engineers or master biologists out of the creationist high school followed by a Pd.D in Young-Earthism from Whackjob U. Hey, it’ll keep the fundie kids out of competition for science and tech jobs, so it’ll leave more room for the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/71 "2002-10-03T15:48:46Z")
I support school vouchers too, but for different reasons. I too understand the appeal of **Legomancer’s** reasoning, but I think the suggestion was done partially tongue-in-cheek. Anyway, separation has an unintended consequence. For example, I was raised in a Fundamentalist religion. If not for my exposure to scientific thinking in the school system, I’d be a Creationist like **His4ever**. Fortunately I was exposed to the light of reason. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2002, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/72 "2002-10-03T18:28:11Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s wrong with sitting on hills and barking at the moon? Nothing, if you’re doing it for religious reasons… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/73 "2002-10-04T00:23:28Z")
Ozzy Osbourne mentioned in a Fundamentalist thread! wooooo! ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/74 "2002-10-04T16:50:40Z")
All of my science classes taught evolution, and I went to a Catholic school. Seems that the story of Creation _can_ blend well with science. Oh, wait, I forgot. **His4ever** doesn’t think that Catholics are true Christians (or whatever her weird statement was in previous threads). I guess my point is absolutely moot in her world. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/75 "2002-10-04T17:07:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Your little pet **theory** of evolution is just that, a theory. It’s not a proven fact. \*\* Whenever I read something like this, with creationists quibbling about the particular jargon used by other people, I think the problem is really with English teachers. For the record, the word ‘theory’ is, for scientists, jargon meaning “the absolute best explanation so far”. But you don’t care, because you prefer your black and white absolute world. Shame on you. Your trusting nature will continue to let evil people take advantage of you. Or to put it in terms you understand, Satan loves people with blind unquestioning faith. It makes his job _easy_. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/76 "2002-10-04T18:11:17Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Legomancer** _ > > This way, they get to learn that Joshua or whoever stopped the earth for a day 3000 years ago… [But it’s true! It’s true! It’s so very, very true!](http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.htm) [sub](Sorry, couldn’t resist…)[/sub] Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/77 "2002-10-04T18:49:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Algernon \* > \*\*I support school vouchers too, but for different reasons. > > I too understand the appeal of **Legomancer’s** reasoning, but I think the suggestion was done partially tongue-in-cheek. > > Anyway, separation has an unintended consequence. For example, I was raised in a Fundamentalist religion. If not for my exposure to scientific thinking in the school system, I’d be a Creationist like **His4ever**. > > Fortunately I was exposed to the light of reason. \*\* I second this. ---
**Author:** ![andymurph64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e57/32.png) [@andymurph64](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andymurph64)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/78 "2002-10-04T20:36:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Honestly, this is why I support school vouchers. I’m all for a system that allows parents to easily take their kids out of the public schools and instead send them to a school where they can learn about creationism, or that the universe is on the back of a giant tortoise, or that it was all hatched from a golden egg, or whatever the hell they want, so that my kids can then learn about actual science in peace. I’ve got no problem with my tax dollars funding this, since my tax dollars already fund a bunch of crap I don’t like but have no say in, so what’s one more thing? This way, they get to learn that Joshua or whoever stopped the earth for a day 3000 years ago and my kid gets to learn about the real world. It’s win-win. Oh please no. I am one of those kids from a fundamentalist family. Not wildly so but I would have been sent to a private religious school and missed out on science. I loved science from first memory. It was the first issue I formed opinions on different from my parents and my first independent thoughts. I could be a Fundie now if your proposal was in effect back then! ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/79 "2002-10-04T20:45:20Z")
Well, that makes at least three of us then that have been lifted out of the darkness of our fundamentalist upbringing and into the light of science and reason through the imperfect yet effective school systems… **me** , **Homebrew** and **andymurph64**. We should have some sort of party. ~grin~ ---
**Author:** ![andymurph64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e57/32.png) [@andymurph64](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andymurph64)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-ignorance-triumphs-again-a-creationism-rant/129870/80 "2002-10-04T20:57:20Z")
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